Whoa! That's an expensive dress Sarah!!!!

In that case

she should look a whole lot better . . . wowzer.

catz-4clay wrote:

abasketclayse wrote:

A little snippet:


(CNN) -- There's been a lot of sniping and a lot of stories Wednesday about Gov. Sarah Palin's clothes.

Politico.com reports that the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothes, hair and make-up for Palin on the campaign trail. Now, these are not your tax dollars.

This is money given by Republican donors to the RNC. But the report questions whether it is legal to use campaign cash for quote "personal use."



Certainly the guys suits are no cheapies, but whoa, $150,000 buys a lot of black suits and mascara!!!!

To say the least, and way too extravagant!

you are all kidding right. 150k for a campaign full of clothing. Geesh. I just can't understand the attacks this woman gets. Do you all honestly think that michelle's clothing were any cheaper. Lets not forget that Palin does not have income to buy clothing to go out and campagin in decent clothing that they probably want her to have. If we are gonna be fair here lets get an itemization of how much micelle obama spends, barrack himself and mccain. I am sure cindy mccain spends lots of money but she has money. Palin does not. the woman only makes 147k a year to support all her children. Her husband makes 46k, that isn't alot of money comparatively to other politicans. All the others are millionaires. They spent 150k on clothing, hair makeup shoes etc. This whole things is disgustiing. I am so over all this politics. I am sick of the way Palin has been treated. She is accused of being dumb, isn't good enough to be vp but obama is. I just shake my head at the double standard here. He has no more experience than she does and he will berunning this country. I could just explode at all this crap being hit at this woman.

Morgan Rowan wrote:

In that case

she should look a whole lot better . . . wowzer.

thank God this will be over soon and then we will have an obama presidency then Palin can go back to Alaska where she is appreciated and not bullseye for everyone

Just for the record, I think ANYONE who spends that kind of money for clothing over such a short period of time is ridiculous. Whether it's Palin, Obama or Clay Aiken or anyone. How much different can a suit be? Shoes? Accessories?

And again, I don't understand why she wouldn't already have a closet full of professional clothing - some new clothes yes, but....

And also, this is/may be just a small point (in all honesty, I originally posted it cause it shocked me and I had my laptop on my lap trying to post some "news" to get conversation going - the goal wasn't to knock Palin) in the midst of a serious election, but I just felt it was far removed from the "image" she wants to portray - a somewhat everyday mom, wife and professional.

Deb I was just trying to be funny about how she looks- geesh.



But I'm not sorry for criticizing her expenditures, even if she wore a different business suit every single day shes been campaigning it would be spending approx $ 1,000 a piece on them. If she really wants to show the country how shes going to keep costs in line, I'd think this would have been the place to start. She could look good for much less and then be able to say I was given $150,000 to buy clothes with but I managed to do it on a third of that and the money will go back where it belongs, into the campaign fund.

People react to Palin as a candidate and not as a woman. if she is not strong and impressive then they will take shots at her. Its all in her hands. It has nothing to do with people being unfair. If they find her less than intelligent that's her fault. If they find her too girly, thats her fault. If they find her less than capable, thats caused by her lack of ability to be a strong leader. She either can get up there and be impressive or she cant.

Renee wrote:

WOW. I just don't even know what to say to that. I think I'm just going to step out for awhile...

Renee, now do you know how Cincy felt. Now that she is gone, you may be the next victim.

Phyll

That was completely uncalled for and if you feel that way why would you choose to participate here.

I don't see how anyone could label Renee as a victim. I love you Renee, but you have been quite verbal in your disdain of Barack Obama and with your support of McCain/Palin, so victim you are not. As far as the subject of this thread which is buying designer clothing, please take a look at this youtube video at about 7:20......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWkPGJmZtA&feature=related

Jojo

in fairness, Renee did not call herself a victim - Phyll said that so addressing your statement to Renee as you did here could cause discomfort to her and cause her to feel a need to defend herself verbally.

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I love you Renee, but you have been quite verbal in your disdain of Barack Obama and with your support of McCain/Palin, so victim you are not.

I think your comment would be best addressed to Phyll who made the statement and not Renee who did not.

I hope you understand. Its easy to do in these heated threads.

I did not call Renee a victim. I simply said that by speaking her heartfelt opinion and sticking up for what she believed, that she had better watch out or she could become the next victim. That is exactly what happened to Joan. She stated her opinions and was ridiculed for doing so so much that she found it was not worth it.

I am proud that both Renee and Joan are outspoken enough to say what they believe and express their opinions.

Perhaps I will take your suggestion and leave myself. There is too much censorship here and if you are not a member of the clique, beware.

Phyl5089200 wrote:

Renee wrote:

WOW. I just don't even know what to say to that. I think I'm just going to step out for awhile...

Renee, now do you know how Cincy felt. Now that she is gone, you may be the next victim.

Sorry - I worded my response incorrectly. What I meant to say is that Renee has not been a 'shrinking violet' in these political discussions, so she in no way can be viewed as a picked upon 'victim', which is what Phyl stated Renee might become. And I did want to let Renee know that I sincerely care for her. I met Renee in person way back when in Las Vegas and she is such a sweet woman. What is interesting is that we are both Roman Catholic - lifelong for me and likely for her also, but we are polar opposites in political beliefs. Hopefully after this election is all said and done, we can forget some of these heated discussions and get back to friendlier things.......

Phyl5089200 wrote:

I did not call Renee a victim. I simply said that by speaking her heartfelt opinion and sticking up for what she believed, that she had better watch out or she could become the next victim. That is exactly what happened to Joan. She stated her opinions and was ridiculed for doing so so much that she found it was not worth it.

I am proud that both Renee and Joan are outspoken enough to say what they believe and express their opinions.

Perhaps I will take your suggestion and leave myself. There is too much censorship here and if you are not a member of the clique, beware.

Wow, I sure hope you don't leave Phyl! Hugs to you and all my friends.

Everyone, please read what I said, and measure it to what you know to be true of me. I said

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WOW. I just don't even know what to say to that. I think I'm just going to step out for awhile...

I didn't say my feelings were hurt or I was feeling attacked. I said I didn't even know what to say, because my own emotions were getting out of control. I needed to step out for awhile to cool down. That's all.

Phyl, I completely understood your initial comment about I could become a victim, and I appreciate the sentiment. I'm good though, no worries. And I do understand Cincy, and miss her very much. As I stated on another post, I also understand that she needed to leave. I just hope you won't leave too Phyl.

I'm good everyone. I'll go down fighting, I honestly believe that Barack Obama can't be trusted and John McCain is absolutely the right man for the job, and I'll not be meek about that, lol, but I do have that latin temper thing going on...so if I step out, please know it's to gather my control, not lick my wounds.

Hugs to all...

jojoincal wrote:

Sorry - I worded my response incorrectly. What I meant to say is that Renee has not been a 'shrinking violet' in these political discussions, so she in no way can be viewed as a picked upon 'victim', which is what Phyl stated Renee might become. And I did want to let Renee know that I sincerely care for her. I met Renee in person way back when in Las Vegas and she is such a sweet woman. What is interesting is that we are both Roman Catholic - lifelong for me and likely for her also, but we are polar opposites in political beliefs. Hopefully after this election is all said and done, we can forget some of these heated discussions and get back to friendlier things.......

Oh Jojo, no worries here! I understood what Phyl was saying, and I understood your post, too.

But since you brought it up... the Catholic Church has overwhelmingly and in an unprecedented way brought the topic of abortion up as THE moral imperative for Catholics this election, and challenged Catholics to vote accordingly. I am curious how you reconcile your Catholicism with supporting Barack Obama? This is not a bash at all, I love you Jojo, but to me, this is such a black and white issue. I would genuinely like some insight on how to reconcile the two opposing forces.

Phyll

Cincy left of her own accord. No one pushed her out of here and no one is pushing you out either. Frankly, I didn't want her to go. I was hoping to resolve some issues with her and it got heated and she chose to leave.

Please stop coloring us as a gang of thugs targeting people for extincition. That's simply not true.

There is little or no censorship here and never has been. Not agreeing with someone is not censorship.

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Phyl, I completely understood your initial comment about I could become a victim,

Renee, then maybe you could explain it to me. Frankly, I saw it as a personal attack on myself and the members here. Do you truly think we would all gang up on you and force you out because we disagree at times with you ?

This entire discussion of the last few posts complete with hurt feelings is because of what Phyll posted.

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Renee, now do you know how Cincy felt. Now that she is gone, you may be the next victim.

Phyll, maybe you would like to explain your statement yourself. I'd be more than happy to hear your explanation.


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Morgan Rowan wrote:

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Phyl, I completely understood your initial comment about I could become a victim,

Renee, then maybe you could explain it to me. Frankly, I saw it as a personal attack on myself and the members here. Do you truly think we would all gang up on you and force you out because we disagree at times with you ?

This entire discussion of the last few posts complete with hurt feelings is because of what Phyll posted.

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Renee, now do you know how Cincy felt. Now that she is gone, you may be the next victim.

Phyll, maybe you would like to explain your statement yourself. I'd be more than happy to hear your explanation.


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Morgan, I don't want to speak for Phyll, but I can explain how I took it, is that fair?

I thought she was simply equating my anger with Cincy's, my frustration with feeling like no matter what I say I can't get through to people. I was feeling that, but that's my problem to deal with, not anyone else's. I think the real problem here is that the word "victim" has an emotional trigger for some. For some, it's just a word. For others, it comes with a whole lot of emotion.

I'm just tired of the fighting here. Can't we just let this one pass by?

Well from what I took from Phyll's statement she felt Cincy was run out of here as a victim ganged up on.

Your answer sounded as if you thought that you could possibly be next and that says to me that you think that can happen.

I dont want anyone to think that can happen. I'm not out to get anyone or to remove them and I dont think anyone else is either. I just wanted to know if you thought that also.

to everyone...............

breathe in and exhale......

no victims here, just very strong minded people who are passionate for their presidential picks.....but I think we can all handle it, so far Ive not seen anyone much censored here...then again that is up to the board moderators....I know Cincy left because she felt it was best for her, believe me one person in the world I would NEVER consider a victim is Cincy...just sayin....and before someone posts and says I am implying something bad, I AM NOT....when I say it because its in my opinion Cincy has survived many things in her life and fought battles that some of us might run from...she is a hell of a strong woman and victim could never describe her....

love to all .......
heder

Renee wrote:

jojoincal wrote:

Sorry - I worded my response incorrectly. What I meant to say is that Renee has not been a 'shrinking violet' in these political discussions, so she in no way can be viewed as a picked upon 'victim', which is what Phyl stated Renee might become. And I did want to let Renee know that I sincerely care for her. I met Renee in person way back when in Las Vegas and she is such a sweet woman. What is interesting is that we are both Roman Catholic - lifelong for me and likely for her also, but we are polar opposites in political beliefs. Hopefully after this election is all said and done, we can forget some of these heated discussions and get back to friendlier things.......

Oh Jojo, no worries here! I understood what Phyl was saying, and I understood your post, too.

But since you brought it up... the Catholic Church has overwhelmingly and in an unprecedented way brought the topic of abortion up as THE moral imperative for Catholics this election, and challenged Catholics to vote accordingly. I am curious how you reconcile your Catholicism with supporting Barack Obama? This is not a bash at all, I love you Jojo, but to me, this is such a black and white issue. I would genuinely like some insight on how to reconcile the two opposing forces.

Renee...... I am a lifelong Democrat and I have always felt that the Democratic Party is much more intune with helping the proverbial 'underdog' than is the Republican Party. I feel that the Republican Party thinks that every citizen should pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and carry on without aid from the government. I know that there are some who will take advantage of government programs, that goes without saying, but to not have any programs to help the disadvantaged, is not right in a country like ours. I've said before how there used to be programs here in California to aid the mentally ill and those programs disappeared under Republican governors. In my heart of hearts I feel that the Democratic Party is much closer to what Jesus taught than is the Republican Party.

I know you will say "but what about abortion?". At one time I was totally against abortion, but a situation in my own family changed my outlook. My oldest daughter Kathleen and her husband tried for five years to have a baby. She went to a fertility doctor and took medications to become pregnant and she was the happiest person in the world when she conceived. It was truly a dream come true that she had almost given up on after five years. Then, sometime in the second trimester, during a routine sonogram, it was discovered that her baby had a VERY severe case of spina bifida. The ultrasound showed that most of the nerves from the spinal column were on the outside of the body. I will never in my life forget the phone call from my daughter that day telling me about her much loved and wanted baby. She and her husband went to specialists and were told that the baby would not live long after birth and would be in excrutiating pain because of the nerves being exposed. The doctors said that as the baby grew in the womb, the nerves would be compressed and the baby would feel the pain. Chosing to terminate her pregnancy was so incredibly painful but Kathleen and Mark loved their baby girl too much to allow her to know only intense suffering. The morning that the abortion was scheduled, Kathleen and Mark each wrote a letter to their baby, telling her how much they loved her and wished they could have known her. They had their baby's remains cremated and we had a memorial service and sprinkled some of the ashes where a tree was planted for her. I also have a rose bush planted in my yard in memory of this baby.

I know that not everyone has such a reason for having an abortion, but to categorically say they are not allowed at all would mean that my daughter Kathleen would have been forced to carry her baby to term, regardless of the excrutiating pain that was caused to this child. I wish there was no need for abortions and I really hope that better means of birth control are found so that there are many less unwanted pregnancies.

My priest has not spoken out about presidential politics. The only thing passed out in church that I've seen is to vote Yes on Proposition 8......I don't agree with that though and I have already mailed in my absentee ballot with a "No" on Prop. 8. Even though I'm a lifelong Catholic, I still feel that much of the church's dogma is man-made and I think the good Lord will allow me to depend on my own conscience in making decisions.

JoJo

Jojo, that is a heartbreaking story. ....*hugs*....

First, I send my heartfelt sympathy to JoJo and understand your heartbreak for your daughter, her husband and their much adored little girl.

Second, Renee, you took my post exactly as I meant it.

Morgan, sometimes you read things into other's post that are simply not there. I am well aware that Joan left on her own.If you will go back and read the posts and the emails bringing to a head Joan's decision to leave the board I think if the tables were turned, you would have left yourself.

I am a fun loving, charitable person who does not like negativity so I will be sending my resignation also. Thank you for the eye opener.

I'm always sorry to see anyone go.

I hope the members deleting ends soon.

Jojo thats a heartbreaking decision and one I'd be willing to bet no religious leader would even choose differently for thier own family. Although I fully support abortion under such conditions I feel abortions are medical procedures that are treated much too 'at will' in this country. Abortions seem to fall into the cosmetic procedure category of at will services. I think that's not what's best. You can't just go have your arm removed because its inconvenient for you in some way, but yet you can remove the unborn child. It's a big decision and I truly hate to see people making it in the first weeks of pregnancy when I feel strongly that God intended for your body changes and hormones over nine months to prepare you for birth. Circumventing those changes allows women to make decisions about where a child fits into thier life before those things would have simply found thier place. I don't want to see abortions illegal but I would like to see them put back into the medical field where the decision is based on medical criteria and not ' choice '. That way women would get the support they need also at such a difficult time.

Having said that, that's my personal feeling and I have no right to impose it on the rest of the country that might feel differently. What I'd like to hear from a politician is ' I have no personal stance on abortion. I will follow what the people of this country decide is best in making laws about it.' Something like that anyway. What do I care what a presidents personal moral stance is. He might find cats to be the work of the devil but I'd hope he doesn't create law about it. I want someone fair enough to enact law that might go against his own beliefs if need be. It's a democracy, not a monarchy.