It Was Touching To See How Much Obama Loves His Grandmother

Thanks Basket - that was a good warning - I hope they are listening.

I don't give a rats butt if Obama runs to his grandmothers side or if McCain fights with his wife. They have nothing to do with thier ability to govern the country.

Howver, Palin's parenting responsibilities and spending frenzies are a whole nother story in my opinion - they are something to pay attention to. She needs to be available and not overwhelmed with personal issues and she needs to make spending decisions. Those personal items are valid to explore.

As for the media's treatment of the candidates. I know its hard to see when you are on one side or the other but its simply a matter of charisma. Obama has major charisma in the vein of John Kennedy. He has the ability to inspire people when he talks.

I don't hear any overblown messiah, he can do no wrong, stuff from the media but I do think they are a bit in awe of the guy and I do hear them give him lots of credit for his star power ( charisma. . . as in Clay Aiken ) Obama deserves that notice - charisma is important to the presidency.

McCain on the other hand is just a politician and right or wrong in his delivery and stance on the issues he doesnt present like Obama. That's just reality.

Who has the better plan ? No one walking the earth knows in my opinion. No matter how good something sounds, we have all seen the ' best laid plans of mice and men ' crumble to the ground.

Given that equity, I have to say simply what good is a good plan if no one is listening to you or cooperating. Obama is a born leader. BUT that doesnt mean he has the ability to make good decisions once hes in the white house . . .but my money is still on Obama being the better guy cause so far McCain's decisions have been well . . . ."Palin" in comparison

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Please remember to stick to the issues and avoid blasting the poster instead of the issue. . . Just a reminder - thanks

i read the snippets from the article. yeah, the enemy is playing with our heads. again. imo, fear has to influence your vote to a degree. IF there is concern that a candidate will make bad choices when running this country..one must vote for who they feel can best represent this great nation of ours. we ARE still great, but we can be even better with the right leadership.
i confess to not being fully behind either candidate for different reasons, but will vote for McCain b/c i have to give him the edge with experience vs someone untested.
these are frightening times in our history, in more ways than one. and nope. i don't believe Sarah will be needed to step in to run things any time soon. those 'fears' of her taking over the Presidency are a tactic put out there by the opposition, which the media has gladly helped magnify.

Obama is quite dazzling when addressing a crowd, i'll give him that. John can put you to sleep. i don't need the dazzle. just competence.

to quote Pumpkin: Good Luck to everyones candidate and may the best man win for the sake of our country.

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I have posted several of Obama's questionable associations with many
scary people. Not one person here has addressed or proven me wrong.

CinC, I and others addressed these "questionable associations" weeks ago. We also addressed the question of Obama's middle name and his being a Christian. If you truly want a response, you can go back and see what we wrote back then. Nothing has changed.

Morgan Rowan wrote:

Thanks Basket - that was a good warning - I hope they are listening.

I don't give a rats butt if Obama runs to his grandmothers side or if McCain fights with his wife. They have nothing to do with thier ability to govern the country.

Howver, Palin's parenting responsibilities and spending frenzies are a whole nother story in my opinion - they are something to pay attention to. She needs to be available and not overwhelmed with personal issues and she needs to make spending decisions. Those personal items are valid to explore.

As for the media's treatment of the candidates. I know its hard to see when you are on one side or the other but its simply a matter of charisma. Obama has major charisma in the vein of John Kennedy. He has the ability to inspire people when he talks.

I don't hear any overblown messiah, he can do no wrong, stuff from the media but I do think they are a bit in awe of the guy and I do hear them give him lots of credit for his star power ( charisma. . . as in Clay Aiken ) Obama deserves that notice - charisma is important to the presidency.

McCain on the other hand is just a politician and right or wrong in his delivery and stance on the issues he doesnt present like Obama. That's just reality.

Who has the better plan ? No one walking the earth knows in my opinion. No matter how good something sounds, we have all seen the ' best laid plans of mice and men ' crumble to the ground.

Given that equity, I have to say simply what good is a good plan if no one is listening to you or cooperating. Obama is a born leader. BUT that doesnt mean he has the ability to make good decisions once hes in the white house . . .but my money is still on Obama being the better guy cause so far McCain's decisions have been well . . . ."Palin" in comparison

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Please remember to stick to the issues and avoid blasting the poster instead of the issue. . . Just a reminder - thanks

but my money is still on Obama being the better guy cause so far McCain's decisions have been well . . . ."Palin" in comparison

That made me

And I completely agree!

John McCain has a few unsavory characters in his past too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html

I've tried staying away from this thread because of the outright nastiness thrown at Barack Obama. No - he is not the messiah and I've not heard anyone here say he is, so why is that bantied about ad nauseam? He is simply the most intelligent man running for President in a very long time and he has the skills to get this nation out of the immense hole that George Bush and his cronies have put us in.

And how do you compare the nasty insinuation that Barack does not care about his grandmother with the fact being brought out that Sarah Palin got the benefit of loads of designer clothes? Every time you see clips of Barack with his family, you can see how sincere his love is for them.

Thank you Spongie for standing up to the attacks going on in this thread.....without Cincy here anymore, you've done a very commendable job of sticking up for what Barack Obama stands for........hugs to you....

Waving hi to Jojo!!!! Check in more often!!!!

jojoincal wrote:

John McCain has a few unsavory characters in his past too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html

I've tried staying away from this thread because of the outright nastiness thrown at Barack Obama. No - he is not the messiah and I've not heard anyone here say he is, so why is that bantied about ad nauseam? He is simply the most intelligent man running for President in a very long time and he has the skills to get this nation out of the immense hole that George Bush and his cronies have put us in.

And how do you compare the nasty insinuation that Barack does not care about his grandmother with the fact being brought out that Sarah Palin got the benefit of loads of designer clothes? Every time you see clips of Barack with his family, you can see how sincere his love is for them.

Thank you Spongie for standing up to the attacks going on in this thread.....without Cincy here anymore, you've done a very commendable job of sticking up for what Barack Obama stands for........hugs to you....

Amen to that JoJo! And it's so good to see a post from you! I've missed you and have been wondering about you. and I too spongie!

Hi basket and catz!! My cousin died about 3 weeks ago so I've made 2 trips to Sacramento since then in making arrangements with the coroner's office, the funeral director, etc. Her passing really brought out something that folks need to think about. My cousin was never married, had no children and appointed my sister, who lives in southern California, the executor of her estate. The problem my sister and I faced was that we had never seen a copy of her will, didn't know who was appointed executor, had no idea of her burial plans or if she had prepaid for a burial plot, didn't know who her attorney was. She died in her sleep so her death was unexpected.

By the time we located her attorney, she had been left at the coroner's office for many days because we had no authorization to remove her remains. She had two half sisters that she met only 2 years ago who live back east, and they had to send a notorized letter to the coroner to enable me to make burial arrangements. Then, my sister and I couldn't access any of her funds so we had to use our own money to pay for her funeral, etc. In the meantime, we still have not been allowed access to my cousin's safe deposit box (which probably has the original of her will and burial instructions inside).

When my sister flew up last weekend so we could drive to Sacramento for the memorial service at my cousin's church, we took the letter from the coroner which verified that my cousin had died, along with a photocopy of the will that the attorney had faxed to us, to the bank in hopes of at least making a list of the safe deposit box contents, even if we couldn't take anything from it. Well, when the bank official pulled the signature card from their files, it included not only my cousin's name on it, but also the name and signature of her long time boyfriend (who had died in 2001). The bank called their legal office and it was decided that we could not even look inside the box until we provided death certificates from both my cousin and her friend. My sister and I went to my cousin's house and fortunately we located a paper that had the boyfriend's Social Security number on it so with that we went to the Social Security death index and found out the date of death and city of last residence. Now we'll try to get a death certificate from that city.

So, let our experience be a warning to you all.......DON'T put all your papers in a safe deposit box that will be needed at the time of your death unless there is someone who you KNOW will have access to that box. And a family trust, like my Mom and Stepdad set up with my sister and I on it, was a much more straight forward way to handle turning over your assets to your heirs at your death instead of just a will.

Sorry for this long story......but that's why I haven't been around a lot lately......

Good advice JoAnne! So sorry for your loss, as well as for all of the added stress involved. Definitely things to consider. for sharing!

We all need to probably be better prepared...it's so easy to just not worry about it.... So sorry for your loss JoJo....

Is Obama going to stay until Sunday to Celebrate his Grandmothers 86th
Birthday? I would assume he is, what do you guy's think?

He said just yesterday that she is so ill there is a possibility she wont
live to see the election, so this would be his last time to be with her on her
birthday.

I think its totally his call, Jane and I don't know why Obama's private family business seems important to you in the election. The price of being a public servant is quite often that you have to do what's best for the country and forego personal moments. That's a big sacrifice. I don't see it at as a character flaw but apparently you do.

Could you maybe explain what bearing you feel this might have on his ability to run the country ?

Without that input from you it really just boils down to you don't personally like the guy much and that has little to do with an election in my opinion. We've had lots of good presidents that I surely wouldn't have wanted as family members.

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Morgan Rowan wrote:

I think its totally his call, Jane and I don't know why Obama's private family business seems important to you in the election. The price of being a public servant is quite often that you have to do what's best for the country and forego personal moments. That's a big sacrifice. I don't see it at as a character flaw but apparently you do.

Could you maybe explain what bearing you feel this might have on his ability to run the country ?

Without that input from you it really just boils down to you don't personally like the guy much and that has little to do with an election in my opinion. We've had lots of good presidents that I surely wouldn't have wanted as family members.

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Morgan, calm down. It was a simple question. What is wrong with you? I
asked if he was going to be there for her birthday on Sunday and you get your
knickers in a twist....lol
Her Birthday is in a couple of days, seeing as he doesn't think she will
make it to election day I thought maybe he would want to be with her on her last
birthday, he obviously won get to spend another special day with her..

Take it easy, for goodness sake. I know you have been in a fighting mood
lately, but I'm not up to playing with you right now.

Why this man is so off limits to those of us that want to know as much as
we can about him is really weird. Even his middle name is off limits, "Hussein"
is now the equivalent to the "N" word to his supporters....And why is that? It's
his name. His given name is Barack Hussein Obama.


You may not see it at as a character flaw that he didn't rush to be with
his grandmother when she broke her hip and was in the hospital, or even when she
came home, but you are correct in saying that I do find it a very uncaring
attitude and huge flaw in his character. And that is my right. I have ever right
in the world to question his motives, to question his character and so
forth.

You on the other hand have no right to attack me, bully me or make me feel
bad because I have different Family values than you do, or he does. I have every
right to judge any candidate on any decision they make. And that includes
Obama. That is what helps me vote for the person that is right for the country
and for all of us as far as I am concerned.


Of course I want to know as much as I can about all the
candidates. Don't you? Goodness Palin has been turned inside out, she has been
trashed, her family has been trashed, McCain has been beaten to a pulp by the
media.
Didn't see you jump all over those here that have been bashing the hell out
of Palin and McCain.
No I don't get all tingly, and think he is handsome and delicious like many
here do....I don't think he is at all good looking. But, I don't vote based on
how "good looking" a person is. But many do.

It's his character, and who he is as a person that interests me.
If he lacks care and love for the woman that raised him, why would you
think he would care at all about any of us? We are all strangers to him. I do
question his loyalty and love for others.

So yeah how he treats his family would have a lot of bearing as to how he
would run the country.
I am assuming by your response that maybe you heard that he wasn't staying
until Sunday. Am I correct? And I do have every right to question him on
anything I want to.
I never said I was crazy about McCain either. If it were his Mother that
was that ill I would expect him to be by her side, if he went on campaigning for
weeks without seeing her I would be disgusted.

When my family called to tell me my Dad had had a heart attack, I was on a
plane the next day. We didn't have the cash for me to go so as soon as I got off
the phone when my mom called me Pete went straight to the bank to get a loan so
I could go. So to me, nothing is more important than family.

Jane, maybe go back and read this whole thread from beginning to end very carefully - I think people have tried to give reasonable "explanations" for perhaps, this very personal decision he had to make. For all we know, grandmother insisted he "take care of business" first - maybe her last wish is that he try his best to succeed - who knows?

And if you reread, perhaps you will see how biting some of your remarks and how they are inviting people to become very defensive, just as you are now in the last couple of comments .

One of these men will be our next president -it scares me to see the bitterness that so many Americans have for either of them. Truly, I fear for the man who wins - because it will be a win that could be very bittersweet.

I'd answer but I've got my knickers in a knot and its really hard to sit in this computer chair.



ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats so much better - I think I have them all straight now.


Well Jane, after relieving yourself of a boatload of vitriole you finally got to the point of answering my question as to why you find the grandmother question to have bearing on his run for the presidency. If I understand you right you think if he doesn't stay for his grandmother's birthday then he doesn't care about her and therefore can't care about the people he will be governing.

Well I'll just repeat then my stance on it. Public figures sacrifice a lot of life's moments to do what's best for the public. I don't see a problem but its just fine with me if you do.

As for jumping on Obama or Biden for doing something stupid such as spend the price of a house on campaign clothes and hair while other's are losing thiers well, I guess I just havent seen them do that yet.

And just for the record I've said often my feelings on this election so I'll just repeat here.

I'd like a viable third party candidate please.

not sure why I'm being painted with the Obama lover paintbrush 'cause I don't think he's perfect by any means . . . he just looks that way standing next to his opponents.





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I'd like to nominate Bobby Jindal! Maybe next time around in 2012!

Jane, while I commend your commitment to family, by your own criteria, Obama should have been by his grandmother's side several times during this campaign, should have left to be by her side last week, and stayed by her side at least until Monday, and, if her condition worsened, stayed with her until she got better or expired.

In other words, stop campaigning.

If his grandmother were sick enough, maybe he should even give up the Democratic nominaton and let Hillary Clinton run in his stead. (This would certainly serve the Republican's purposes.)

In real life, there are always trade offs, and personally, I would rather have a president who put his country ahead of his family. Yes, I said it. If we were in a situation like the Cuban Missial Crisis or the 9/11 bombing, I would want my president monitoring the situation day and night, not flying off to Hawaii because his grandmother is sick.

This was a situation where even while it could potentially cost Barack Hussein Obama politically to visit his gradmother, he was able to do this, then it was back to securing the presidency.

neworleans_lady wrote:

I'd like to nominate Bobby Jindal! Maybe next time around in 2012!

There was a lot of talk about Bobby for the VP. Don't know a lot about him to
be honest with you, but what little I have heard he is a very impressive
person. I would like to know more about him.


Well, looks like BHO didn't stay to be with Grandma for her birthday. I'm
sure he will give her a quick call tomorrow.


Hey Morgan, did you
manage to get your knickers untwisted yet? I've gotten mine in a knot from time
to time, I am getting pretty good at getting those knots out....Let me know if
you need some help LOL

Jane,
I must say I'm so glad that you always seem to be able to walk away angry but come back smilin....at least, I think that's what you are doing...

abasketclayse wrote:

Jane,
I must say I'm so glad that you always seem to be able to walk away angry but come back smilin....at least, I think that's what you are doing...

I wasn't angry to be honest with you. But even if I do get angry or
annoyed I don't believe in holding a grudge. I believe everyone is capable of
getting caught up in the moment and maybe saying a thing or two that we wish we
hadn't said, or wouldn't normally say. At the end of the day why not continue to
be kind to those we care about. Big deal if we had a disagreement last night, or
ten minutes ago. That was then, this is now.

When all of this is said and done, no matter who wins the election, all we
can do after election day is hope and pray they do all those things they
promised us that they would do in order to get our vote.

We may feel powerful and important at the moment because our vote is
so important to them right now, but after they are in the White House, we are
nothing to them. We no longer have a say.
They can turn around and do the complete opposite of what they promised.
That is why character and honesty is so important to me.

The only reason I am a member here is because I like the company, it's as
simple as that. I like the people, I care about the people here. To me everyone here is similar to family, you
have to be able to get past a difference in order to enjoy all the other great
qualities of the person.

If I want to be a member of a community where I don't care about the people
I will go someplace else. The people here mean too much to me.

Wow, that was beautiful.

Thanks for sharing that in such an understandable way.

Jane and I been debating far longer than cincy and I ever did. But we love each other dearly. ( we do right Jane ? )

Jane is ummm real passionate about things . . .

and me well I'm just a bitch . . . everyone knows that.


sigh. . .

abasketclayse wrote:

Wow, that was beautiful.

Thanks for sharing that in such an understandable way.

Basket,
I am glad you understood what I was trying to say. You know how it is
sometimes when you want to say something but find it hard to put it into words.


I forgot to also add to that post how sweet it was for you to actually notice that however I was feeling yesterday wasn't how I was feeling today. Thanks for letting me know you noticed.....

Morgan Rowan wrote:

Jane and I been debating far longer than cincy and I ever did. But we love each other dearly. ( we do right Jane ? )

Jane is ummm real passionate about things . . .

and me well I'm just a bitch . . . everyone knows that.


sigh. . .

Morgan,
You most certainly are not a Bitch, in fact you are far
from it. But you are ummmm, how can I put this, oh I know passionate,
yeah, that's how I would describe you passionate...... lol

We have known each other for a very long time now. We both know the
differences between good people having a difference of opinion and enjoying a discussion, and nasty people just being out and out mean. Deliberately trying at every turn to cause a fight.

Lately I have seen that being done. And you know who I am talking about.
And I did ignore it even though I found it childish. A thread about a certain
subject having nothing to do with politics whatsoever and this person would have to add something nasty about Palin. It pleased me to no end that for the most part people didn't bite. But it got old after a while!.

Anyway, back to you, my dear friend with her knickers in a knot....
I more than just love you, I admire you so very much.. You are also one of
those people that doesn't hold a grudge. You say what you have to say and that's the end of it, unless the other person doesn't want to let it go. You know I am pretty much the same way, I can't stay upset with anyone. It's such a waste of energy and isn't good for you.

There is nothing wrong in having a difference in opinion, or a good
discussion or debate especially when it comes to something as important as the upcoming elections. It's important that we know as much as possible about all the candidates, because once the election is over there isn't a thing we can do to change things.

We live in such an awesome age, we don't have to rely on what we are told by bias news people.
We actually have at our fingertips a way to research and find out the truth
for ourselves. I want to know the truth about all of them. We are so lucky to live in a time where we don't have to be duped into voting for someone that isn't right for the country unless we allow ourselves to be duped and lied to.

We need to remember that there is no changing our minds after the
elections. Wishing we could go back and check out certain things we heard about someone during the campaign and just dismissed as being unimportant at the time, or maybe just something someone made-up, it just wont matter anymore once that vote is cast and the winner is declared.

I just hope that no matter who the winner is we hold that person to their
promises and remind them every chance we get that we expect and demand they not go back on their promises.

We may have to wait four years to hold them accountable for lying to us to
get our votes. We can make them pay by making sure they aren't reelected, we must do that, we must get them out of office.
Only then will elected officials take us seriously and not treat us like
idiots. We need to begin to hold every elected official accountable.