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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:26 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:
I dont have any problem with Obamas plan as it is. I just think it misses teaching the people to fish. I'd like to see someone aim more at the bottom of the problems instead of trying to band aid the mess. That doesnt mean of the two that Obama's isnt a better plan. I think it is. But I think somewhere there is a plan 3 that trumps them both.


As for teaching people to fish, in Barack's own words:

"At a certain point, welfare got separated from the idea of work," Obama said. "There was the welfare rights movement, and people started talking as if you were just entitled to an income, whether you were trying or not. And ordinary working people ó black and white ó would hear that and say, 'Now hold on a second. I'm getting up at 4:30 in the morning and taking a bus two hours to get to a job, and you're telling me that you have a right to something,' and they resent it. Work has to be an important component of any anti-poverty agenda."
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:28 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:
cincy I'd just like to point out something to you. I like Obama. I think he's the better candidate but I don't think he can walk on water. Your zeal is cloying sometimes. I'm only pointing that out because it can hurt your candidate sometimes more than help them and I thought you might want to know. I'm sorry if it offends you, honest. You were the same way with Kerry who said many things I liked but I got to where I couldn't stand the sound of his name.

sorry for the honesty. snk

You said the same thing about Clay, so I don't take it to heart. Doesn't sound like a good way to form an opinion though. And since the people who most strongly disagree with me have emailed me respect for my point of view and my zeal in expressing it, you are likely bringing some past prejudice against me into your perception. Doesn't bother me a bit though. I could be wrong though and your observation might be valid....if someone else agrees with you, I hope they will speak up and then I might give it more credence.
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:35 pm

Well yes but Clay does walk on water around here.


Its ok - take it anyway you want to take it. I have a lot of respect for your opinion and information also but at some point I expect realism also. Obama can't be perfect or always right or always have the perfect answer. ( or Clay or Kerry ) When you start to sound that way its a real turn off. I just thought you might want to know that 'cause it impacts your candiate. That's all.

Again not meant as a bash. I'm sure both Obama and Clay are thrilled to have you on board.


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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:36 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:
Well yes but Clay does walk on water around here.


Its ok - take it anyway you want to take it. I have a lot of respect for your opinion and information also but at some point I expect realism also. Obama can't be perfect or always right or always have the perfect answer. When you start to sound that way its a real turn off. I just thought you might want to know that 'cause it impacts your candiate. That's all.

Again not meant as a bash. I'm sure both Obama and Clay are thrilled to have you on board.

And you should be too! LOLOL!
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:38 pm

Ummm you might be "on board" but you are far from a major supporter of me. uns

back to candidate bashing . . . .
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:40 pm

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Ummm you might be "on board" but you are far from a major supporter of me. uns

back to candidate bashing . . . .

BTW, I have been very careful NOT to bash McCain.

As for the rest, you're probably right.


You know what, Morgan? You made a point of criticizing my zeal in posting on the "coming out thread" where I decided to just stay off of that discussion and it seems you now want to exclude me from political debates as well. It's getting old. But to make YOU happy, I'll not post on these threads either. Or maybe you'd like to tell me where I can post. Like I said, this stalking of me is getting old....and it also becoming very obvious. And not just to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:10 pm

Cincy thats a major major over reaction

I hope when the sting wears off a bit you'll rethink. That wasnt my point at all or my purpose.

I simply wanted you to realize that there is a balance in all things and you cant overdo the Obama has all the answers stuff or you'll actually push people the other way. As a friend, I wanted to tell you that. Not bash you or push you away. I simply wanted to tell you that sometimes I feel that way, that you are not centered in reality when presenting the facts. A little tiny bit of saying he's real close to perfect but of course no one is would go a long way I think.

I'm really sorry to have offended you. I honestly thought you could take a little honesty on the subject from me. Who knows maybe I'm the only person in the world that feels that way. In that case, just say I hear ya . . . and go on about doing things your way.

sorry again to have upset you - it really was not my purpose - it it were you'd know, right ?

As for the others who think I'm unfair or persecuting you, they can feel free to take it up with me. I fully admit sometimes you drive me up a damn wall. But honestly this is simply not one of those times. I actually said what I did in friendship from one honest person to another.

I'd expect you to simply consider it and either deal with it or say whatever . . . and move on.
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:37 pm

Okay....no big deal. I do support Obama but have never said he is perfect; but I have said there are things McCain has said and done that have garnered my respect for him. When it comes to tax proposals, however, I disagree with his position.
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:56 pm

Cincy,
Please don't stop posting. I just wish there were more people reading this information.
I have been a registered Republican all my life and still am. This has not prevented me from crossing party lines to vote for the person I thought was most qualified.
In this case it is Obama most definately. I am very dissapointed in the Republican ticket. Unfortunately there are many people who will vote their party no matter who is on the ticket. And that is on both sides.

OK, I will now confess, I voted for Bush. Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:59 pm

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Cincy,
Please don't stop posting. I just wish there were more people reading this information.
I have been a registered Republican all my life and still am. This has not prevented me from crossing party lines to vote for the person I thought was most qualified.
In this case it is Obama most definately. I am very dissapointed in the Republican ticket. Unfortunately there are many people who will vote their party no matter who is on the ticket. And that is on both sides.

OK, I will now confess, I voted for Bush. Embarassed


ok I confess...I LOVE pumpkin anyhow....


LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:11 pm

Thank You Heder. ht
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PostSubject: Re: Think Obama's plan isn't socialism?   Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:40 pm

mypumpkin58 wrote:
Cincy,
Please don't stop posting. I just wish there were more people reading this information.
I have been a registered Republican all my life and still am. This has not prevented me from crossing party lines to vote for the person I thought was most qualified.
In this case it is Obama most definately. I am very dissapointed in the Republican ticket. Unfortunately there are many people who will vote their party no matter who is on the ticket. And that is on both sides.

OK, I will now confess, I voted for Bush. Embarassed

Thanks, Pumpkin!!! We need Pennsylvania so badly!!! love u
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