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PostSubject: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:22 pm

I wanted to start a new thread because that other one was getting too much fun, and I didn't want to kill the buzz.

But...looks like ACORN isn't really pure as driven snow....


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

Folks, we better buckle our seatbelts. This next month is going to be UGLY. affraid
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:30 pm

Renee wrote:
I wanted to start a new thread because that other one was getting too much fun, and I didn't want to kill the buzz.

But...looks like ACORN isn't really pure as driven snow....


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

Folks, we better buckle our seatbelts. This next month is going to be UGLY. affraid



say it ain't so LOL. I found that hard to believe ROTFL should be an interesting month for sure Renee.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:37 pm

Renee wrote:
I wanted to start a new thread because that other one was getting too much fun, and I didn't want to kill the buzz.

But...looks like ACORN isn't really pure as driven snow....


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

Folks, we better buckle our seatbelts. This next month is going to be UGLY. affraid


FOX News....just sayin'......... mad

Anyway....for any negative information out there about ACORN, there are hundreds of thousands of new voters that have registered this year. It sounds to me like the Republicans are anticipating defeat and are looking for another hanging chad type pre-emptive strike to base a recount if the election is close. Not the first time they would attempt to steal an election.

But since I don't think it is even gonna be that close this year, it may be all for naught.

ACORN hires a lot of young people to sign up people to register to vote and since it is on-the-street registration, there will obviously be a lot of misinformation and people signing up to be "funny" (i.e., the Dallas cowboys/Terrell Owens mention) and the ACORN workers who are not doing their job properly. HOWEVER, the fraudulently registered people will have to show up at a polling place and show the proper ID.....so there ya go!

Anyone want to talk about S&L and Banking regulation? I think that is the issue that will break the camel's back tonight on the debates. Try as hard as they are to muddy the waters, McCain's chances are being destroyed by the logic and clear reasoning behind the Obama campaign's presentation of this issue. I hope it gets the serious attention it needs and is not made a part of the dirty politics.....it is one part of the week's developments and posturing that is solidly grounded in fact and not innuendo.

BTW, I know what McCain's response will be, his rebuttal....but I'm not here to make you guy's arguments. Anyone want to give it a try???
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:46 pm

Cincy, come on. You know that if ACORN were a pro-McCain group, the reaction would be VERY different. It may have come from Fox News but facts is facts.

Tonight's not going to be a slam dunk for Obama by any stretch. Town Hall meetings work to McCain's strengths, and could work against Obama.

Then again, tomorrow I could be eating my words.

I'll be watching tonight though!

Oh, and I don't even want to hazard a guess. I'll let McCain surprise me with his homerun in the bottom of the ninth command of tonight's debate. DON'T MESS WITH MY FANTASIES
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PostSubject: Who is Barack Obama?   Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:55 pm

It scares me to death that people really don't care about Obama's connections to terrorists, racists and bigots.

1. Where did he come from all of a sudden?
2. Who helped him get to where he is?
3. Who are his friends?
4. Why was his religion listed as Islam in his school records in both schools he attended in Indonesia?
5. Why is it not important that he attended Islamic classes while he was there?
6. Why is it not important that he attended Friday prayer with his Step-Father in Indonesia?
7. What is his connection to Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer?
8. What exactly are the ties between Barack Obama and Terrorist Bill Ayers?
9. Do his ties with Ayers go way back to the 1980's as has been reported?
10. Was Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home as reported?.
11. Are Obama's Ties To ACORN More Substantial than first believed?
12. What is the truth about George Soros' (Leftist Behind MoveOn.Org) are they really a Human Rights Watch Enabling Palestinian Propaganda And Ignoring Truth?
13. Did you know that MoveOn.org, the far-left advocacy group was responsible for the national uproar when it received preferential treatment from The New York Times for its “General Betray Us” message. And that Internet giant Google banned advertisements critical of MoveOn.org?
14. What is the connection between Obama & Nadhmi Auchi?
15. Who is Nadhmi Auchi?
16. What is the connection between Rev, Wright,
Father Pligher(sp) Obama, Louis Farrakhan and ACORN?
17. Why was Security for Rev. Wright provided by…the Nation of Islam


If any of you want links to any of the things I listed I will be happy to give them to you. But I would much rather you take the questions you have and search for yourselves. Get all points of view.
In this day and age the information is at our fingertips. We all have computers here. We all know how to search for information. No one here should ever rely on any member in this forum for such important and sensitive information. It is the responsibility of each and every one of us to seek that information for ourselves.

It is so easy to do. What an amazing time we live in, we don't have to rely on what the candidates tell us or refuse to tell us, or what other people here chose to tell us, we can find out the truth for ourselves.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:02 pm

Renee wrote:
Cincy, come on. You know that if ACORN were a pro-McCain group, the reaction would be VERY different. It may have come from Fox News but facts is facts.

Tonight's not going to be a slam dunk for Obama by any stretch. Town Hall meetings work to McCain's strengths, and could work against Obama.

Then again, tomorrow I could be eating my words.

I'll be watching tonight though!

Oh, and I don't even want to hazard a guess. I'll let McCain surprise me with his homerun in the bottom of the ninth command of tonight's debate. DON'T MESS WITH MY FANTASIES


ACORN is a grassroots organization to get the vote out....why does that scare the Republican party so much. Oh, never mind....that's a no brainer. Obviously, the more new voters, the more it helps Obama. I put up posts in the other thread that give information about both ACORN and MoveOn. Neither group is the subversive type of organization they are being portrayed to be by the media. Check it out.

According to what I know about town hall meetings, the pundits are saying that McCain's plan to take the gloves off will NOT work well in a town hall setting.....we shall see.

Interesting that you can't or won't even venture a guess as to your candidate's response.... if you have researched the issue of the economy, I would hope you would be able to do so. Are you waiting for his explanation???? I can assure you it will not be a homerun in the bottom of the ninth....more swinging for the bleachers with a bungo bat.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:08 pm

CinC wrote:

ACORN is a grassroots organization to get the vote out....why does that scare the Republican party so much. Oh, never mind....that's a no brainer. Obviously, the more new voters, the more it helps Obama. I put up posts in the other thread that give information about both ACORN and MoveOn. Neither group is the subversive type of organization they are being portrayed to be by the media. Check it out.

According to what I know about town hall meetings, the pundits are saying that McCain's plan to take the gloves off will NOT work well in a town hall setting.....we shall see.

Interesting that you can't or won't even venture a guess as to your candidate's response.... if you have researched the issue of the economy, I would hope you would be able to do so. Are you waiting for his explanation???? I can assure you it will not be a homerun in the bottom of the ninth....more swinging for the bleachers with a bungo bat.

Whoa Cincy, throttle back. Don't read too much into my decision to not venture a guess. The truth of the matter is I have 1 hour to myself before I have to go teach my class, and I had chosen to take a nap rather than debate. I popped back in hoping you'd have replied to my obviously light hearted Fantasy ending, but perhaps this is a sign that I should step away from this thread for awhile. Debate is fine; arguing is not.

And since we are debating...the reason I didn't respond to your explanation posts is because I assumed those clips are what THEY say about THEMSELVES, like a mission statement. Do you really think they would publish any mission that could reflect on them badly? Now if those are from an outside party explaining them, I might take another look...then again, after today's raid, which btw, is also all over the network news (type it in google), I probably wouldn't give them another look. If it looks like a duck....

Now...I have 53 minutes to take a nap. Consider me ZZZZZZZing....
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:26 pm

I'm interested in knowing where you are getting your information on George Soros aside from hyscience.com. I don't mean this as an "attack". I'm genuinely interested.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:48 am

I thought this debate was going to be an actual "Town Hall" type of debate. Like the one's McCain usually does. It was just the same old crap of questions we got from the other Debate.

By real "Town Hall" Debate I mean real questions from real people. Tom Brokaw got to see all the questions beforehand and meet with all the people chosen to ask the questions and he chose the questions.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:51 am

I must say I loved the one that was done at Saddleback. Each got the same questions separate from each other and it was by far the best way to compare each of their answers.

I would love to see that same type of Q&A before the elections. I really enjoyed that. As did a lot of people.
It was very informative and a great way to compare how each of them would handle the same situation, and how they each felt about certain things.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:44 am

Cincy,
Thanks for that link for Newsmax. I came across the link for this book about Obama at the bottom of the page, it seems like an interesting read.


Book Title: The Case Against Barack Obama:
The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate

It costs $27.95 from Newsmax
And $18.45 on Amazon

Product Description
He's the media's darling, the fresh face of the Democratic ticket. But what does Barack Obama really stand for--and will his extreme liberal agenda and complete inexperience in global affairs endanger the country? That's what David Freddoso, investigative reporter and National Review Online columnist, examines in The Case Against Barack Obama. In this shocking exposé, Freddoso explores the reality behind the rhetoric, the plans behind the promises, and the faults behind the façade, revealing:
* Why Obama's inexperience and extreme left-wing voting record is more dangerous than any threat we face today
* Why the Rev. Wright debacle reveals Obama's poor judgment of character and deceitful nature
* Why it won't be politics of change with President Obama--it will be liberal politics as usual

Freddoso exposes the real Barack Obama: a typical big-government politician, the #1 most liberal U.S. senator, and--if he were commander in chief--a serious threat to our national security.

From the Inside Flap
You Don't Know Barack Obama Until You Read This Book
Has any major candidate for president of the United States ever received less critical examination than Barack Obama? Who is this man, who was only elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004? How did someone with his meager record of accomplishment become the Democratic nominee for president?

How did someone with the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate and long-standing relationships with a former terrorist, a racist minister, and the corrupt operators of Chicago Machine politics end up as a supposed beacon of a newer, cleaner, bipartisan politics?

Investigative reporter David Freddoso has the answers. Doing the legwork that the mainstream media has neglected, applying a critical eye while the media swoons before the Obama-messiah, and posing the hard questions that Obama needs to answer, Freddoso reveals a politician as calculating as any other, a far-left Democrat who goes beyond "abortion rights" to supporting de facto infanticide, whose "new politics" amount to Chicago-style hardball overlain with lofty rhetoric, and who, from his positions of power, has helped his patrons. In The Case Against Barack Obama, you'll learn:

* How Barack Obama opposed a bill banning infanticide-by-neglect--a stance too extreme even for Nancy Pelosi. (Freddoso has an exclusive interview with the nurse central to the case.)
* How Obama's friendship with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright was no accident, but a carefully thought-out personal and political decision
* Why Obama thought his association with the Reverend Wright and the terrorist Bill Ayers wouldn't matter--an exposé of the insular radical chic of Chicago's Hyde Park politics
* What Obama really did for convicted developer Tony Rezko
* Debunking the myth of Obama's "new" politics: the forgotten tale of how Obama won his first election by throwing all of his competitors off the ballot
* A story Obama would like to stay buried in Chicago: how he used his clout as a U.S. senator to save the corrupt Cook County Political Machine when reformers of both parties tried to challenge the entrenched political bosses
* How Obama has repeatedly steered taxpayer money to campaign donors

Sober, fair, and thoroughly researched--and all the more powerful and provocative because of it--The Case Against Barack Obama removes the halo from a man less qualified, and more radical, than the mainstream media has let you know.

About the Author
David Freddoso has covered politics for six years and is a hard-hitting political reporter for National Review Online. Before working at NRO, Freddoso worked closely with legendary political journalist Bob Novak on the Evans and Novak Political Report, and worked as a reporter for the national news weekly, Human Events. He has a master's in journalism from Columbia University.

https://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag_renewal/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/1596985666/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:49 am

This is another book I have been meaning to borrow from a friend that has already finished reading it.
Book Title: The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality

Product Description
Barack Obama stepped onto the national political stage when the then-Illinois State senator addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Soon after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, author Jerome Corsi began researching Obama's personal and political background.

Scrupulously sourced with more than 600 footnotes, THE OBAMA NATION is the result of that research. By tracing Obama's career and influences from his early years in Hawaii and Indonesia, the beginnings of his political career in Chicago, his voting record in the Illinois legislature, his religious training and his adoption of Christianity through to his recent involvement in Kenyan politics, his political advisors and fundraising associates and his meteoric campaign for president, Jerome Corsi shows that an Obama presidency would, in his words, be “a repeat of the failed extremist politics that have characterized and plagued Democratic Party politics since the late 1960s.”

In this stunning and comprehensive new book, the reader will learn about: -Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father and step-father's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn—associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press
-Barack and Michelle's 20-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Franz Fanon , Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama
-Obama's continuing connections with Kenya, the homeland of his father, through his support for the candidacy of Raila Odinga, the radical socialist presidential contender who came to power amid Islamist violence and church burnings
-Obama's involvement in the slum-landlord empire of the Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko, who helped to bankroll Obama's initial campaigns and to purchase of Barack and Michelle's dream-home property.
-the background and techniques of the Obama campaign's cult of personality, including the derivation of the words “hope” and change”
-Obama's far-left domestic policy, his controversial votes on abortion, his history of opposition to the Second Amendment, his determination to raise capital-gains taxes, his impractical plan to achieve universal health care, and his radical plan to tax Americans to fund a global-poverty-reduction program
-Obama's naïve, anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign-policy, predicated on the reduction of the military, the eradication of nuclear weapons and an overconfidence in the power of his personality, as if belief in change alone could somehow transform international politics, achieve nuclear-weapons disarmament and withdrawal from Iraq without adverse consequences, for us, for the Iraqis or for Israel.

Meticulously researched and documented, THE OBAMA NATION is the definitive source for information on why and how Barack Obama must be defeated—not by invective and general attacks, but by detailed arguments that are well-researched and fact-based.

About the Author
DR. JEROME CORSI received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972 and has written many books and articles, including the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. His latest best-seller was The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada. He is a senior staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.com and the author of two books on contemporary Iran: Atomic Iran and Showdown with Nuclear Iran. In his 2005 book Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil, which he co-authored with Craig. R. Smith, Dr. Corsi predicted oil prices at over $100 a barrel.

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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:15 pm

This is in reference to a Radio Ad put out by Obama-Biden. I didn't realize that McCain actually supported Stem Cell Research until I came across this Fact...
Summery.
An Obama-Biden radio ad hammers McCain for being opposed to stem cell research. Not true. Meanwhile two spots from the McCain-Palin campaign, together with the Republican National Committee, describe McCain's support for the research; they're largely accurate.

By saying that "John McCain has stood in the way – he's opposed stem cell research," the Obama ad seriously misstates the view that McCain has held on this issue since 2001, when he began backing embryonic stem cell research, a position that was out of step with that of many of his fellow Republicans.

The McCain/RNC ads would probably lead listeners to believe that Palin shares McCain's views on this topic. That's not true. But we find that to be a minor flaw compared with the misrepresentation in Obama's ad.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:49 pm

I got this in an email and thought I would share.

Subject: FW: Where is the money coming from? Some things you won't see on the news!


This will take a few minutes to read -- I've been
wondering about the "dark" "unreported"
past of Obama. VERY interesting!

To All My Friends, this is long, but very
important, please take the time to read.

This election has me very worried. So many
things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for
Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I
watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I
must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you
view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle
ground to work with.


About six months ago, I started thinking
"where did the money come from for Obama". I have
four daughters who went to College, and we were middle
class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked
hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking
into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental
in California. He is very open about his two years at
Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his
time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply
himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name
he used all his life) during this time had two r oommates,
Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.
During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college,
he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see
his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three
weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his
roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his
father's family.

My question - Where did he get the money for
this trip? Neither I, nor any one of my children would have
had money for a trip like this when they where in college.

When he came back he started school at Columbia
University in New York. It is at this time he wants
everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what
the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the
least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans?
Maybe.

After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why
not New York? He was already living in New York.
By "chance" he met Antoin
"Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real
estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of
fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named
"Entrepreneur of t he Decade" by the Arab-American
Business and Professional Association". About two
years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have
any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did
he get the money for Law School? More student loans?

After Law school, he went back to Chicago.
Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did
take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess
what? They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's
firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial
contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003,
Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago
Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was in strumental in
providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S.
Senate race.

In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwood
District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking
price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the
money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife,
Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The
London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born
Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before
Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi
many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.
Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now
Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major
decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett
born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern
here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert
Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the
press found out he was having regular contacts with
"Hamas", which
controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This
past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi
newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq,
he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until
after he is elected, and he will "Take care of< BR> things".

Oh, and by the way, remember the college
roommates that were born in Pakistan? They are in charge of
all those "small" Internet campaign contributions
for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and
middle class in this country? Or could it be from the
Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7,
2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was
made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.
Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim
faith". When questioned, "he made a
mistake". Some mistake!

; All of the above information I got on line. If
you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack
Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama
visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September
7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this
information on my own, Why haven't all of our
"intelligent" members of the press been reporting
this? A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware
of the enemy from within"!!!
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:53 pm

Cincy, Renee, or anyone else if you can help.

I don't know if you know the answers to these questions in regards to Obama's family.
I know some of the facts. I know about his father being married 4 or 5 times. Sometimes being married to more than one woman at the same time. I know he has several Half-Brother's and Sisters.

One sister, I believe they have the same Mother, Obama's step-father is her father. Her name is Maya Soetor-Ng. She was interviewed during one of his Bio's on television. And I know of his brother in Kenya that was interviewed.
I have done some research, but it's all so muddled.

His sister said that there are like 7 or 8 children in all that she is aware of by Obama's father. She also said that all the family here and in Kenya and her fathers family in Indonesia are Muslim, including herself, but didn't say Obama was or wasn't.

My questions are these, do you know why Obama isn't close to his family, especially his sister, and the others that live here in the US?
His sister has campaigned in Hawaii for him, but they are never seen together, do you know why?
Do you know exactly how many siblings Obama has?
Are his grandparents still alive? (his white grandparents)
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:45 pm

Thursday, April 10, 2008

Barack Obama, terrorist Bill Ayers and former PLO operative Rashid Khalidi were good friends and even partied together in Chicago.
Both terrorist Ayers and former PLO operative Khalidi have held fundraisers for Obama in the past.


Rashid Khalidi and Barack Obama were close friends in Chicago.
Rashid was also a former PLO operative who often spoke to reporters on behalf of Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization when he lived in Beirut.

Tom Maguire posted on Rashid Khalidi yesterday and pointed out this report from the LA Times on Barack Obama's Palestinian allies:

CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.

His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...While teaching at the University of Chicago, Khalidi and his wife lived in the Hyde Park neighborhood near the Obamas. The families became friends and dinner companions.

In 2000, the Khalidis held a fundraiser for Obama's unsuccessful congressional bid. The next year, a social service group whose board was headed by Mona Khalidi received a $40,000 grant from a local charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, when Obama served on the fund's board of directors.

At Khalidi's going-away party in 2003, the scholar lavished praise on Obama, telling the mostly Palestinian American crowd that the state senator deserved their help in winning a U.S. Senate seat. "You will not have a better senator under any circumstances," Khalidi said.

The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.

Though Khalidi has seen little of Sen. Obama in recent years, Michelle Obama attended a party several months ago celebrating the marriage of the Khalidis' daughter.
Columbia University got a twofer when they hired Rashid Khalidi--
Both Rashid and his wife Mona were strong Palestinian sympathizers.
And... Guess who else was at the Khalidi going away party in Chi-town?
Campus Watch reported:


In bringing professor Khalidi to Morningside Heights from the University of Chicago, Columbia also got itself a twofer of Palestinian activism and advocacy. Mr. Khalidi's wife, Mona, who also served in Beirut as chief editor of the English section of the WAFA press agency, was hired as dean of foreign students at Columbia's SIPA, working under Dean Anderson. In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president.

A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. (There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.)
As far as his connections with Obama, Khalidi has not been forthright in recent interviews, via the Jewish Press:


Concerning Obama’s role in funding AAAN, Khalidi claimed he "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago." He terminated the interview when pressed further about his links with Obama. Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer questions about AAAN’s involvement with Obama.
World Net Daily reported that as director of the Woods Fund board in Chicago Barack Obama, along with William Ayers, granted Khalidi's controversial anti-Israel group the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, $40,000 in 2001 and $35,000 in 2002.

More... In case you are not familiar with the Weather Underground there is a video posted HERE showing several of their bombings.

Talk Left has more on Obama's stands on Israel.


CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.

His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...While teaching at the University of Chicago, Khalidi and his wife lived in the Hyde Park neighborhood near the Obamas. The families became friends and dinner companions.

In 2000, the Khalidis held a fundraiser for Obama's unsuccessful congressional bid. The next year, a social service group whose board was headed by Mona Khalidi received a $40,000 grant from a local charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, when Obama served on the fund's board of directors.

At Khalidi's going-away party in 2003, the scholar lavished praise on Obama, telling the mostly Palestinian American crowd that the state senator deserved their help in winning a U.S. Senate seat. "You will not have a better senator under any circumstances," Khalidi said.

The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.

Though Khalidi has seen little of Sen. Obama in recent years, Michelle Obama attended a party several months ago celebrating the marriage of the Khalidis' daughter.
Columbia University got a twofer when they hired Rashid Khalidi--
Both Rashid and his wife Mona were strong Palestinian sympathizers.
And... Guess who else was at the Khalidi going away party in Chi-town?
Campus Watch reported:


In bringing professor Khalidi to Morningside Heights from the University of Chicago, Columbia also got itself a twofer of Palestinian activism and advocacy. Mr. Khalidi's wife, Mona, who also served in Beirut as chief editor of the English section of the WAFA press agency, was hired as dean of foreign students at Columbia's SIPA, working under Dean Anderson. In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president.

A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. (There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.)
As far as his connections with Obama, Khalidi has not been forthright in recent interviews, via the Jewish Press:


Concerning Obama’s role in funding AAAN, Khalidi claimed he "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago." He terminated the interview when pressed further about his links with Obama. Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer questions about AAAN’s involvement with Obama.
World Net Daily reported that as director of the Woods Fund board in Chicago Barack Obama, along with William Ayers, granted Khalidi's controversial anti-Israel group the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, $40,000 in 2001 and $35,000 in 2002.

More... In case you are not familiar with the Weather Underground there is a video posted HERE showing several of their bombings.

Talk Left has more on Obama's stands on Israel.


CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.

His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...While teaching at the University of Chicago, Khalidi and his wife lived in the Hyde Park neighborhood near the Obamas. The families became friends and dinner companions.

In 2000, the Khalidis held a fundraiser for Obama's unsuccessful congressional bid. The next year, a social service group whose board was headed by Mona Khalidi received a $40,000 grant from a local charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, when Obama served on the fund's board of directors.

At Khalidi's going-away party in 2003, the scholar lavished praise on Obama, telling the mostly Palestinian American crowd that the state senator deserved their help in winning a U.S. Senate seat. "You will not have a better senator under any circumstances," Khalidi said.

The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.

Though Khalidi has seen little of Sen. Obama in recent years, Michelle Obama attended a party several months ago celebrating the marriage of the Khalidis' daughter.
Columbia University got a twofer when they hired Rashid Khalidi--
Both Rashid and his wife Mona were strong Palestinian sympathizers.
And... Guess who else was at the Khalidi going away party in Chi-town?
Campus Watch reported:


In bringing professor Khalidi to Morningside Heights from the University of Chicago, Columbia also got itself a twofer of Palestinian activism and advocacy. Mr. Khalidi's wife, Mona, who also served in Beirut as chief editor of the English section of the WAFA press agency, was hired as dean of foreign students at Columbia's SIPA, working under Dean Anderson. In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president.

A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. (There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.)
As far as his connections with Obama, Khalidi has not been forthright in recent interviews, via the Jewish Press:


Concerning Obama’s role in funding AAAN, Khalidi claimed he "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago." He terminated the interview when pressed further about his links with Obama. Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer questions about AAAN’s involvement with Obama.
World Net Daily reported that as director of the Woods Fund board in Chicago Barack Obama, along with William Ayers, granted Khalidi's controversial anti-Israel group the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, $40,000 in 2001 and $35,000 in 2002.

More... In case you are not familiar with the Weather Underground there is a video posted HERE showing several of their bombings.

Talk Left has more on Obama's stands on Israel.

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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:33 pm

If ANY of these rumors about Obama and terrorists were based on anything remotely true or a danger to the country, don't you think there would be an investigation of him by some governmental agency....the FBI, National Security Council, etc.??? And why isn't there....because they are groundless.

The economy is the number 1 problem voters are concerned with at the moment. John McCain and his history of opposing regulation and his association with those who have perpetrated that are REAL and documented by fact. Republicans can throw up all the smokescreens to attack Obama's loyalty and devotion to serving the United States, but the voters are not buying it.

I think they are pinning their hopes on the same people voting who buy and believe the media and tabloids. And there are a lot of people out there, unfortunately, who take those as true, so I imagine there will be those who read these rumors and give them credit as being true...so they will pick up those people's votes. But to the majority of undecided voters who are looking for information upon which to base their decision, I have to believe that these fabrications and exaggerations are only making the McCain campaign come across as desperate.

If Barack Obama had terrorist ties, he would not be on the Democratic ticket for President of the United States. The election is too important for one of the two major political parties to nominate a terrorist and our nation's agencies that protect us against terrorism are capable of ferreting that out if it were true.

Common sense.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:24 pm

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If ANY of these rumors about Obama and terrorists were based on anything remotely true or a danger to the country, don't you think there would be an investigation of him by some governmental agency....the FBI, National Security Council, etc.??? And why isn't there....because they are groundless.

The economy is the number 1 problem voters are concerned with at the moment. John McCain and his history of opposing regulation and his association with those who have perpetrated that are REAL and documented by fact. Republicans can throw up all the smokescreens to attack Obama's loyalty and devotion to serving the United States, but the voters are not buying it.

I think they are pinning their hopes on the same people voting who buy and believe the media and tabloids. And there are a lot of people out there, unfortunately, who take those as true, so I imagine there will be those who read these rumors and give them credit as being true...so they will pick up those people's votes. But to the majority of undecided voters who are looking for information upon which to base their decision, I have to believe that these fabrications and exaggerations are only making the McCain campaign come across as desperate.

If Barack Obama had terrorist ties, he would not be on the Democratic ticket for President of the United States. The election is too important for one of the two major political parties to nominate a terrorist and our nation's agencies that protect us against terrorism are capable of ferreting that out if it were true.

Common sense.

Cincy, two things. First, YES I'm back, but I have to thank you for your kind words yesterday. They really helped me.

Second, politics.

I think it's naive to think it couldn't happen. We have an environment right now in this country that is truly that dangerously agenda driven that it could happen.

1 - Any criticism of Obama is quickly met by the Race Card. You just don't like Black People. Being painted as racist isn't an easy accusation to excuse. People tread softly. Softly? Hell, this man's been treated with kid gloves!

2 - Many people truly hate President Bush. I don't, I actually feel sorry for those that do, because I feel they've bought into this whole agenda without using their own eyes. But those that do hate him want a Democratic president NO MATTER WHAT.

3 - He is the darling of the Media and the Elite. Good Queen Oprah beknighted him on her own show, and we know she's got more money than God. The Soros and the Madonnas and the Pitts...they're using their influence like they've never done before. Madonna never finished high school for God's sake. Please. Let's listen to her idea of political advise.

4 - Obama panders to the uneducated. He does. Let's just say it. ACORN, affliated with Obama or not, is working their asses off to get as many of the uneducated and at times, even homeless, people registered to vote. Each man may have his own vote, but I have to ask you, quite bluntly: Do you really want a president elected by the vote of the uneducated? That scares the hell out of me. And it should scare the hell out of you, because next time, these samesaid voters could vote for someone you DON'T like.

5 - Form over substance. Our country has long been plagued with this disease. Too many people willingly choose form over substance when it comes to their elected officials. They will simply turn a blind eye when negative revelations surface. It won't fit their form.



So to answer your question, Cincy, I absolutely believe that a man this dangerous could get elected. He's a Socialist masquerading as a Democrat, and I wish to God his own party would call him on that, because they too will be paying the price of his judgments.


Finally, Cincy, I have to ask. If any of the revelations proved to be true...would THAT be enough to change your mind? What would have to happen to get you off the Obama Wagon? I'd really like to know the answer to that.

When I turn it around on myself, I realize how hard that question is. I don't know if anything could get me to vote for Obama...but I could probably cast a vote for Biden.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:53 pm

Is this the correct thread for political discussions. I don't know whether to post here or on the other one that is sometimes politics and sometimes silly fun!

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I lived in the Middle East for many years. Mostly Saudi Arabia. I have many dear friends that are Muslim there, and here in the United States.
As far as Muslims are concerned Barack Hussein Obama, Jr is Muslim. All of my Muslim friends have told me this. Hussein is a Muslim name, and that in itself identifies him as such.

As they explained to me (and I already knew, but wanted to confirm) In Arab/Muslim culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim.
You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim.

I found this out from a friend of mine, Barack Obama was originally named “Baraka.” It is not an African name. It's an Arabic word meaning “blessed” and comes directly from the Koran.

Also, all children born with an Arabic name based on the H-S-N trilateral root (Hussein, Hassan, and others) can be assumed to be Muslim, so they will understand Obama's full name, Baraka Hussein Obama, to proclaim him a born Muslim.

Now this is very important......
All this matters, because Obama once was a Muslim according to Islamic law, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed.

Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:06 pm

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Is this the correct thread for political discussions. I don't know whether to post here or on the other one that is sometimes politics and sometimes silly fun!



The purpose of this entire forum is entertainment. If you can speak about politics and keep it light, interesting and fun and live with a few light moments of laughter intertwined than post away.


to everyone posting here . . .



When you guys start posting encyclopedia pages it goes beyond convo.

I'd much prefer convo here


thanks . . . carry on
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:16 pm

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Is this the correct thread for political discussions. I don't know whether to post here or on the other one that is sometimes politics and sometimes silly fun!



The purpose of this entire forum is entertainment. If you can speak about politics and keep it light, interesting and fun and live with a few light moments of laughter intertwined than post away.


to everyone posting here . . .


When you guys start posting encyclopedia pages it goes beyond convo.

I'd much prefer convo here


thanks . . . carry on

Morgan, my apologies. After reading what I said it could have very well have come across as a "dig"
I hope you can take my word for it that it wasn't meant that way. Honestly.

I just enjoy the continued conversation, that's all I meant.


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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:33 pm

I'm kind of afraid to ask

but Jane is there a comment to go with that quote you copied of mine ?



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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:52 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:
I'm kind of afraid to ask

but Jane is there a comment to go with that quote you copied of mine ?



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Morgan, I can't stop laughing at what I just did....

I kept looking at that message I wrote and couldn't figure out what the hell happened to what I wrote....
Then I read over the quote and low and behold, there was my reply right in the middle of your message. LOL
Well, it made me laugh what can I say!

Talk about feeling like a ninny....lol. Guess I shouldn't have passed on that pill this morning....
Although, I think my xanax has kicked in...lol

I did edit it...Sorry about that.... Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:56 pm

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there everything is all better now !
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PostSubject: Re: New Political Thread   Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:04 pm

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there everything is all better now !

Yeah, of course it is Morgan.

Although Pete thinks I have lost it. He can't see what's so funny in what I did. But it was funny if you had been here and seen my face wondering where the heck my reply was......
Sorry, it's still funny to me.
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