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PostSubject: Obama is making me very nervous   Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

A trillion dollar stimulus (aka spending) package. Geesh. Where the F is all this money coming from?

I'm also worried about Guantanemo being shut down. Three of the people that were imprisoned there have already gotten involved in al quada terrorist organizations.

Something really bad is going to happen........
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:48 pm

Cant tell you much about the money or where it comes from - I never understand where all that money comes from.

I did find something interesting though the other day - it said the last stimulus check gave everyone about 600 and the most bought item with that much money was a flat screen tv which did wonders to stimulate Japan's economy.

sigh.

As for the prison - I dont believe they are just emptying it to the streets. And well, it is America. If they are being held for no specific crime with no justice to face or trial to attend it doesn't seem right in our country to just cage them indefinitely.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:36 pm

You're right, Morgan. That's why tax deductions and tax credits work better than cash checks. I just finished our taxes and wanted to throw up. We paid over $10,000 more in taxes this year than last. That's insane. Our state bill tripled and our state is still "out of business". Deductions for college room and board and book expenses were eliminated, and our child tax credit dropped from $2000 last year to $150 this year. Even if Hannah aged out, that still dropped Rebecca's deduction from $1000 to $150.

Our congress is killing the middle class, plain and simple. And all of those bastards are to blame, every last one of them.

Now they want to spend more. The government spends more and families have to spend less. What's up with that???? Did you hear about the state controller spending TWO MILLION dollars to remodel his office? His excuse? It was approved two years ago. So the F what? We're not getting our state refunds, money that is OURS, not the state's, and he gets new furniture. What a freaking loser.

As for the prison. Don't even get me started. This may be America, Morgan, but we're at war. Our new President may want to say we're no longer carrying on a war on terror, but that doesn't mean they are no longer waging war on us.

I'm with Joe. Something bad is going to happen....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:47 pm

Well Renee honey I feel about war about the way you feel about abortion. Killing is killing is killing is killing. Let's just stop already.

I also dont feel anyone was put on this earth to live in a cage. If they've committed a crime, prove it and move on if they haven't . . . shame on us for not being able to prove it but you have to let them go. preferably back to the hole they crawled out of.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:45 pm

I'm in the middle on the GITMO thing...

I don't understand why they have not been tried yet.....


I don't think they should be just 'let go'
but I also don't think they should be held
without charges....

....my last stimulus check went to pay bills...
last spring was the first time in 17 years at my job we didn't get our annual raise.....which is retroactive...so each spring we would get a lump sum check for what was owed us from beginning of our contract...

we bought a "new" (used) lawmower and just paid bills with it.... and that's what will happen if we get another....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:44 am

What he did this morning by dropping all charges against the mastermind of the USS Cole is very telling. The trail had begun. What is Obama thinking?

I can't believe what he did to the families of those that were murdered on the Cole, and to the 9/11 families it is just mind blowing.

Thursday afternoon they were contact by the White House for a meeting with Obama this after noon to discuss this, then first thing this morning it was already released that all charges had been dropped.

Scroll down for story....

Many of the family members were upset that they were
notified so last minute, but many were willing to keep an open mind only to find out that it was already a done deal.

This stimulus is so full of pork at scares many people to death. And it's not just the GOP, it's Democrats too.
They have put in stuff that would normally be left for another time.

All I can see in this bill is mostly pet projects. A Frisbee Park. Honey Bee Insurance (which is important) but at a later date.

As far as Gitmo goes Joe. I think it only fair those politicians wanting them to come on to American Soil be responsible for them. NO matter what you guy's want to believe, or think, they have it much better where they are right now.

There aren't very many of them. They have quite a bit of freedom to be outside.

They put them in a max prison in the U.S. and they will have to be put in Max Security, maybe get an hour a day outside.

Personally I think if they were caught in Iraq, they should be returned to Iraq, some with Afghanistan. SEnd them back to wherever they were caught.

There was a Black mother on a news show tonight, her son was murdered on the USS Cole. She said she voted for Obama and now wishes she hadn't. She like other's don't understand why these terrorists have more rights than the American Citizens they murdered.


Emotional Meeting on USS Cole


Obama meets with Cole victims' relatives a day after charges are dropped against suspected mastermind

Ex-Gitmo Prisoners Eyed in U.S. Deaths
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:03 am

Sorry. Above link doesn't seem to be working...

I just don't under why he felt the need to tell them in person that he had already dropped charges. These people have waited since Clinton was in Office to see justice. I feel so sorry for them. It's understandable that these family members are hurt and upset that they weren't told befor it was made public...



[size=18][color:0854=darkblue]Obama Holds Emotional Meeting With Families of USS Cole Victims on Gimto Policy[/size]

The meeting took place a day after a senior Pentagon judge dropped charges against Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, an al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo and accused of masterminding the USS Cole bombing.

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Friday, February 06, 2009

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama held an emotional meeting Friday with relatives of victims of the bombing of the USS Cole and the Sept. 11 attacks who are still waiting for justice to be served years after the deadly acts of terrorism.

Obama promised the roughly 40 family members who attended that the meeting would be the first of many.

Some of the victims' relatives said they welcomed Obama's gesture. Still, they aren't entirely convinced that his decision to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where terrorism suspects are being detained, and halt legal action on their cases is the right thing to do.

Obama has expressed concerns about the fact that detainees have been held for years without trial. He has signed an executive order to close the facility within a year while the administration reviews other options for seeing that the detainees get their day in court.

Retired Navy Cmdr. Kirk S. Lippold, commanding officer of the Cole at the time of the Oct. 12, 2000, bombing, said he was disappointed when he first learned of the decision and remained skeptical. He also faulted Obama for not consulting the families ahead of time.

"In principle, his reason for closing it may be good," Lippold, a defense adviser to Military Families United, told reporters after the hourlong meeting.

Lippold said Obama's stance is "well-intentioned, but the problem I have remains that we still don't have any procedures" for what will become of the terror suspects after the detention center is closed.

Lippold was commander of the USS Cole when al-Qaida suicide bombers struck as it sat in a port in Yemen, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

The White House said Obama made clear at the meeting, held next door at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, that his most important responsibility is keeping the American people safe.

He also explained why he thinks closing the Guantanamo facility will make the country safer and "help ensure that those who are guilty receive swift and certain justice within a legal framework that is durable, and that helps America fight terrorism more effectively around the world."

The meeting took place a day after a senior Pentagon judge dropped charges against Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, an al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo and accused of masterminding the USS Cole bombing. New charges against al-Nashiri could be brought later, and he will remain in custody for the time being.

A legal move late Thursday by Susan J. Crawford, the top legal authority for military trials at Guantanamo, marked the last active war crimes case there.

The Obama administration is reviewing the system to make sure the 245 suspects remaining there are given international and U.S. legal rights. That review largely will determine whether the terror suspects should be tried in U.S. courts or released to other countries.

The White House said the meeting was the first the USS Cole victims have had with a president.

Lippold said the meeting was very emotional, and that the discussion largely focused on how to deal with the detainees, the impact of the decision on trials and what it would mean to the U.S. image abroad.

He said he expected the families would be asked for input after the 120-day review period.

"I'm looking forward to working with them as we have never had an opportunity as families to help shape policy when it comes to keeping our nation safe," Lippold said.

John Clodfelter, an Air Force veteran who lost his son, Kenneth, on the USS Cole, said he went into the meeting with a negative attitude.

"I didn't vote for the man," he said, still emotional hours after the meeting. "But ... the way he conducts himself, the way he talks, you can't help but believe him."

Clodfelter also expressed frustration with the lack of a trial for al-Nashiri eight years after the attack.

"We should have already had this man tried and executed if that's what the case is," he said. "I can't imagine an American that's in one of our prisons for eight years without anything being done for him."

Sally Regenhard, who lost her son, Christian, during the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on New York's World Trade Center, said the families had a good experience with Obama.

"He said that he's going to make sure that justice is done regarding the terrorists," she said in a telephone interview. "And we'll have an open line of communication with the White House regarding the family members. That's revolutionary."

"He assured us that he wants the same things that we want," Regenhard added.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:14 am

I think it is a total disgrace that this U.S.S. Cole terrorist got a reprieve! Something is very wrong with this!!

He's putting them back out there now post-Guantanemo, and they'll be angrier and have an even more widespread plan of destruction. As I said, it was reported that 3 have already gotten involved in al quada organizations again after their release. All these people want to do is kill those who are not of their religion, and they really want to kill Americans. I am not ashamed to say that they should have tossed the key and left them rot there after what happened 9/11. It's only common sense to know that these men will all resume being those who want to, and possibly will, kill Americans.

I'm also upset because of the trillion dollar "spending" package. We are not getting any kick-backs! No checks coming in this time. Jane is correct, there is so much pork shoved into these quickly-put-through things that it would make your head spin....especially this one!

And how about the number of Obama's choices for positions in his government having to withdraw their nominations because of not paying their taxes! These are our leaders! And shouldn't Obama have made sure he was picking clean people without the skeletons that ultimately surface?

Sorry....I just get a bit panicky when I see the huge amounts of people losing jobs daily, the banks runnning themselves into the ground and then getting around $850 Billion in a bail out and now people are saying there's no accountability for what the banks are/have done with the money. They're still not loaning money! In fact, one of the financial institutions took out a full-page ad in the papers (can't remember which institution or which paper(s) now) about a week ago regarding how willing they are to loan money again. Well, first, they didn't need to spend a cent for advertising! And they still aren't loaning money...unless you already have a lot of money. And the top management are still taking their fancy trips and getting their outlandish bonuses and salaries. So, people who have run their companies into the ground keep being rewarded. It makes no sense.

This wanting to pass things through at breakneck speed, and in such an amount......A TRILLION DOLLARS!.......just puts me exceptionally ill at ease.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:31 am

Brace yourself. It's only going to get worse. The Republicans in office have no balls whatsoever, so they'll cave. If the Republican party DID have any spine, they would have put forth an electable candidate.

I just hope they've learned what happens when you play to the middle. John McCain was a good man and he would have made a fine president, but he wasn't exciting. And our society, to our great shame, is all about the glitz.

Many told me my fears about Obama were unfounded. They're ALREADY proving to be true. And it saddens me beyond belief. I've never wanted to be wrong more in my life.

Fear mongering, bullying, overspending, and releasing terrorists. Yeah, that defines HOPE.

I just pray the country learns fast, and the Republicans organize fast enough to take back the house and senate in 2010. There has to be some balance!
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:06 pm

Renee,
I think Michael Steele is going to do an awesome job as Chair.

I have liked him ever since I first saw him on TV. He is smart, he is talented, he is a very no nonsense guy and he has been working with young Republicans for a long time. He is very involved with the youth, and he is appealing to people of all ages.

I was thrilled that he won. It was actually quite exciting watching the process. I believe they voted like 5 times, it may have been 4.

But the excitement in the room was awesome when the result was made official, everyone was genuinely thrilled. He is the first Black Chair of the RNC. He really is a great guy and I wish him well.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:15 pm

Hey Jane! ht

I'll bet all the people he canned weren't too happy with him! LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:39 pm

I was excited about that, Jane, and I totally agree with you Joe! What I wouldn't have done to be a fly on that wall. But they should have seen it coming. The election was lost because of the poor organization and worse campaigning. Blech.

I'm not saying Obama might not have won anyway, but I truly believe that the Republicans lost this election more than Obama won it. Does that make sense?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:11 am

joechgo1 wrote:
Hey Jane! ht

I'll bet all the people he canned weren't too happy with him! LOL

Hi Joe, (big hug)

According to news reports it's pretty much the norm when a new chairperson takes over. The Dems do the same thing.
Clean house.....

In fact some actually gave their resignations because they knew it was coming....

I am sure they aren't too happy being out of work right now, especially in this economy. But you can't blame Steele starting from scratch, especially seeing as he is going to take the RNC down a different path. And it's what the RNC needs right now, a fresh start. It's sort of like a fresh start to get back to the principles of the party.

He knows what needs to be done, and he knows how to do it.

I have no doubt he is going to give it his all to get the RNC back on track. He is such a great guy. Perfect choice, I am glad he won. When he mentioned a while back that he was going to go for it I just prayed he would be elected.

I wish him well.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama is making me very nervous   Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:03 pm

I think Michael Steele will do an amazing job as RNC chairman. Long overdue. As for Obama I am more nervous than before the election and as you all know before the election it was bad. This man is leading us down a path that I truly fear we won't be able to recover from. We have no elected officals with balls. Totally agree with you Renee. Our very own beloved senator "cough cough " Arlen spector crossed the lines and voted for this despicable stimulus package. Didn't even listen to the voters here in Pa. I am sick to see what is in that package and what is being pushed through. I pray this country can wait till we get a more balanced party in place. I have never ever seen the people of America so depressed about the outlook for this country. Even some of the people who voted for him are worried.
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