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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:31 am

I told you guy's she is in hiding waiting on the offers to flood in.

She has asked for 2 million from Oprah to go on her show, and 2 million to do an interview with Diane Sawyer.

Here comes Kate the second.....
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:33 am

I had a feeling she was out for something too.. I hope no one gives it to her and sees through it. She made the choice to have all 14 babies now let her take care of them without giving her gifts and money because it's obvious that's why she did it. No
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:15 am

That's easy to say....and easy to agree with....but what about the kids?????????

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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:15 am

They just talked about this and the mother on The Early Show. Said she is looking for an agent to do some things on TV (uh huh MONEY MONEY MONEY). Said she use to be a certified psychiatric technician but her license expired. And since she has been an unemployed student. And that she is thinking about becoming some kind of child care expert Surprised uns
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:16 am

Oh and she used the money that she received from some kind of work settlement to get the invetro done. Why didn't she use that to care for the kids she already had?? I guess one good thing is that all the kids have the same father. She used the same sperm donor for all of them hmm
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:24 pm

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Oh and she used the money that she received from some kind of work settlement to get the invetro done. Why didn't she use that to care for the kids she already had?? I guess one good thing is that all the kids have the same father. She used the same sperm donor for all of them hmm

As Basket said, "What about the kids"

My answer to that is, she should have thought about that before using that money she got from whatever settlement she got to have them. What she did was not cheap.

I wouldn't give her a dime. Give her what the kids may need, but certainly not cash. Give her Formula, Diapers, Cribs, Car Seats, clothing, whatever the babies need, but zero money.

The money she used to have these 8 sweet babies could have gone a long way to giving the 6 children she already had a nice life.

Does she even have health coverage? How much of a settlement did she receive that this is what she did with it?
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:45 pm

I hate to say it and I know I should be thinking of the kids, but I wouldn't give her anything. She knew what kind of a mess she was going to be in having that many kids with no job, no partner to help her, no home of their own. But the sad thing is I'm sure she will be getting lots of government help and IRS refunds now. No My sister and her husband have 4 kids and they are getting back over $7,000 I can't imagine what she'll get for 14!!
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:12 pm

Terizz wrote:
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/38984724.html

How can any company step in to help at this point? There is a possibility, maybe a slim one that this woman may have these children taken away from her.

Public opinion is not at all favorable in regards to this woman having 14 children the way she did.

Everyone loves a feel good story. Under normal circumstances that's what this story would be, but what this woman did is appalling.

It's so sad for the 6 children she already has, and even more sad that she brought 8 more children into this world.

She isn't married, she doesn't have a job, she has no insurance and she has no home. She is living with her parents. Tax payers are going to be expected to pick-up the tab for these children. You can bet the hospital has already filed with the State for the medical care.

I think the State needs to step in and investigate this entire situation, including the Doctor that is involved in this.

It's just a horrible situation all round.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:20 pm

Anyone see this nutcase being interviewed?

There are reports that she suffers from a depressive disorder.

Just great! 14 kids under 8 years old and she's depressed!
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:34 pm

Babies being born because you simply crave them and can afford the huge sums of money to create them seems just like buying a 6,000 designer purse to me. Status purchases should not be about buying children.

The woman has a right to pursue her choices but the doctor had an ethical responsibility to not fulfill them in my opinion. I find it very irresponsible for a doctor to implant embryos in a mentally unstable woman and I don't think its a big stretch to say a woman with no legitimate means of support, no help arranged or way to pay for help, no home of her own and no husband for help and support, seeking to add to the 6 small children she already has is mentally unstable.

If I were a judge I'd make the doctor pay for thier support. He brought them into the world.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:54 pm

I haven't seen her being interview yet but I want to. I heard she is going to be on a Dateline soon I think it was. Not sure when. I saw something online about her but I haven't gotten around to seeing what it was.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:55 am

What I saw on the news a couple times is a snippet of the interview that is to be shown. I'm not sure what show or when it's going to be on, but I normally check out the topics on Dateline and the other shows because sometimes I'm very interested, and others I can skip. I especially like the crime stuff they report.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:55 am

They showed a snip of it last night. She is going to be on The Morning Show on Monday I believe and Dateline on Tuesday.

I wonder how much they have paid her to do these interviews. And she said that she always had 6 empryoes implanted every time she got pregnant. I don't believe her. She said the donor is also a friend and he is overwhelmed by the birth of the 8 babies, but she hopes he'll be in their live as a father one day. I think he is going to run for the hills LOL..
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:03 pm

Heard she got $165,000 thus far.

ka-ching ka-ching
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:30 pm

I think what you are hearing about the $165,000 was the settlement she got from working at the psychiatric hospital that she used to have all these babies.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm

Anyone notice how much this woman looks like Angelina Jolie? And....she didn't so much in the past. I bet she has had elective surgery to look like Angie. Weird!

The whole country is having a fit about this woman and the expense involved with these babies.

I also heard she might have the babies removed from her care. Her mother is exhausted from taking care of the other six kids. They showed the inside of their house. What a mess!

This woman might be one of the most hated people in America now!
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:09 pm

Did you read how she doesn't view the "governmental help" she gets as welfare. She says it's money she gets from the government for help, but it's not welfare. OH BROTHER.


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"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."

This woman is mental, and SHAME on the doctor who did this procedure. He should be hit up for the child support.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:11 pm

My first thought when I saw her was she looks like shes had some cosmetic work done on her face.

She's strange to say the least but its the doctor who implanted the babies that really upsets me. Whats wrong with him ? This just seems unethical to me.

And is it two or three of her other kids get SS for disabilities ? Why would you continue to have children if you had disabled children at home. Or is she simply just a scam artist looking for free money wherever she can get it.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:05 pm

Yep I thought the other day she looks a little like Angie which is odd.

I hear the doctor maybe in trouble for this one. And I hope he is shame on him for doing what he did.

I'm hoping to be able to watch the interview tonight, but I'm barely awake and functioning at this point so I may miss it.

Oh and I also heard she may lose the kids. It's going to be on Dr. Phil tomorrow also, and he said she was asked a question she never expected and that was something to the effect of do you think you should get to keep all these children?
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:57 pm

I heard on the Early Show (I believe it was) this morning, someone saying that the mother had surgery to make herself look like Angie.

Her own mother is speaking out against her. They showed the inside of her home on Dateline, and it was a filthy mess. Her mother didn't have anything good to say about her. How sad! The mother of all of these children is bizarre, and seems to be way off balance. She doesn't need to keep all of those poor little ones. How sad for them!
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:12 pm

Octuplets' Mom On Welfare, Spokesman Confirms
Tuesday, February 10, 2009

LOS ANGELES The Southern California mother of octuplets receives $490 a month in food stamps and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal assistance, her publicist confirmed Monday evening.

Spokesman Michael Furtney said Nadya Suleman did not want to disclose the nature of the disabilities, or the type or sum of the payments.

Furtney confirmed the public assistance payments after two sources told The Los Angeles Times that Suleman was receiving food stamps and federal supplemental security income.

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."

In an interview that aired Monday, Suleman told NBC "Today" show anchor Ann Curry that she does not receive welfare.

Her six other children are under the age of 7. All 14 children were the result of in-vitro fertilization.

Suleman was implanted with embryos at a Beverly Hills fertility clinic run by a well-known and controversial specialist who pioneered a method of implantation.

Dr. Michael Kamrava's name emerged Monday as a result of the interview aired Monday with Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies Jan. 26.

Over the past two weeks, the identity of Suleman's fertility doctor has been a source of great mystery because of questions over the ethics of implanting numerous embryos in a woman who already had six children.

Kamrava, 57, would not comment on the issue, but told reporters outside his clinic on Rodeo Drive that he had granted an interview to one of the television networks. When asked to provide more detail, he said, "Watch the news."

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The medical board said Monday it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In the NBC interview, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills of which Kamrava is director and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor. In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.

Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.

"He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial," said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.

Jain criticized the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: "I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said Kamrava worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.

It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.

Suleman said she had six embryos implanted for each of her pregnancies. The octuplets were a surprise result of her last set of six embryos, she said, explaining she had expected twins at most. Two of the embryos evidently divided in the womb.

Medical ethicists have criticized the implanting of so many embryos. National guidelines put the norm at two to three embryos for a woman of Suleman's age, except in extraordinary circumstances.

Kamrava's clinic performed 20 in vitro procedures on women under 35 in 2006, according to the most recent national report compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of those 20 procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and two in births. One woman delivered twins.

The average number of embryos he transferred per procedure for women under 35 was 3.5, the report said. Fertility doctors often implant more than one embryo to increase the chances that one will take hold.

An in-vitro procedure typically costs between $8,000 and $15,000. Asked on NBC how she was able to afford the treatments, Suleman said she had saved money and used some of the more than $165,000 in disability payments she received after being injured in a 1999 riot at a state mental hospital where she worked.

Dr. Richard Paulson, who heads the fertility program at the University of Southern California, cautioned against rushing to judgment about the fertility treatment in this case because questions remain about the quality of Suleman's eggs and whether there were any extraordinary circumstances that would lead Kamrava to transfer so many embryos.

As for the technique Kamrava pioneered, "those of us who are the scientists in the field do not feel this is a significant improvement," Paulson said. He said some doctors advertise that technique as "a way of making patients feel that they are trying something new."

Suleman, who is 33 and single, told NBC's "Today" show she was "fixated" on having children. Suleman said her doctor "did nothing wrong" and had warned her of possible complications to the pregnancy and risks to the development of the babies.

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely but appear relatively healthy. Their names have a Biblical theme: Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Maliyah, Makai and Nariyah. All share the middle name Angel and the last name Solomon.

On Sunday, Suleman's mother, Angela Suleman, seemed to contradict her daughter's account, telling a Web site the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was not the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

In an interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com, Angela Suleman said she and Nadya's father pleaded with her first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again. She said her daughter went to another doctor.

"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure. "She already has six beautiful children. Why would she do this? I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."

Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Click here to watch the video interview from RadarOnline.com
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:30 am

I just watched the Dateline thing with her. One of her children is autistic, another has ADHD, and I don't think she said what the 3rd one who is on disability had.
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:52 am

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I just watched the Dateline thing with her. One of her children is autistic, another has ADHD, and I don't think she said what the 3rd one who is on disability had.

Having just one child with special needs, I know how it takes a full time job of mothering and doubles the responsibility! There's a world of difference between having babies and raising them. This woman is so irresponsible it sickens me, truly.

Again, that doctor should have to pay!
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PostSubject: Re: California Octuplets   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:49 am

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I just watched the Dateline thing with her. One of her children is autistic, another has ADHD, and I don't think she said what the 3rd one who is on disability had.

Since when do people get disability checks for children with ADHD or ADD?

Listening to her in that interview proves to me she is on another planet.

I can't get over that she is already on food stamps and welfare for the 6 children she already has and spent over a $165 thousand on fertility treatments to have these 8 children.

How on earth did she qualify for food stamps when she had that much money in the bank?

Her poor mother is exhausted from taking care of the other 6 children. And I don't blame her mother from speaking out. I hope child services looks into this situation, it's wrong on so many levels.
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