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PostSubject: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:53 am

Hello my dear friends. I've been mulling things over, waiting until I was certain I wouldn't hurt anyone with my angry words. Thank you for the responses to my earlier post. Someone asked about why I don't just come here and stay away from the political thread. Well, the truth is, my Clay fan days are pretty much over, I still love his voice, but I haven't loved his CDs since MCWL came out!

And as I stated in the "coming out" thread...things are different for me now. So I actually have more to say about politics than I do Clay...long way around to an explanation, I guess.

Anyway, I thought over your words and I prayed over them, and here's where I'm at now. I think it's clear that I'm still a work in progress, but any forward progress I've made has been greatly aided by you, my friends, so thank you. In my blog, I refer to people who are led blindly and view Obama as Messianic. I am absolutely positively NOT referring to any of you, please know that. All you had to do was turn on the news since the election, though, to see how many do.

Some brutal honesty about my feelings in here, so there's my caveat....

During the years of President George W. Bush, a new animal emerged, a rabid, treacherous breed of predator that was so self absorbed and agenda driven, it would rather lose a war than see President Bush succeed at anything, it would rather tear down its country in the media than dare to reveal the good in our country, lest President Bush get the credit.

They would rather our military suffer than let a GWB war be victorious.

These far left, Hollywood type elitists who have far too much money and influence and far too little decency or common sense have been a scourge upon our country for the past eight years.

Examples, you ask?

*The Dixie Chicks
*Michael Moore
*George Soros
*Keith Olbermann
*Nancy Pelosi
*Harry Reid
*Do I really need to go on?

These people, and so many more on this reprehensible band wagon, did far more to “damage America’s reputation” than anything George Bush did. They openly ridiculed or mocked our president for all the world to see. How can anyone else respect our country when so many of our country’s influential citizens don’t? Their rabid zeal to tear down the president left our country hurting, but they didn’t care. They hate that much.

These people are traitors.

They hide behind the first amendment, and spit on our country. They wanted the Republican agenda to fail more than they wanted the United States of America to succeed.

And they worked hard to that end.

They’ll deny it. They’ll spout all sorts of drivel about freedom of speech and standing up for what’s right and all sorts of other crap, but the proof is in the pudding. Look at Iraq. We’re WINNING the war, this should be a shining moment for President Bush and especially for the brave men and women in our military. Instead, up until the election, they were still calling Iraq an “illegal war” and saying we were losing.

How dare they?

Well, now is their shining day in the sun. They’ve got both houses and a Democrat who’s so far left he will rewrite the definition of democracy. I hate most everything he stands for: socialism, lack of personal responsibility (how many times can he deny his associations?) and big government. I am living a Conservative Republican’s nightmare.

But I don’t want to be like THEM. I don’t want to care more about my political beliefs than I do my country. I don’t want to be a traitor. I don’t want to become something I hold in such deep contempt.

So I hereby make a vow. I will give his policies a chance before I condemn him. I will be suspicious, but I won’t be vindictive. I will give Obama the chance to keep his promises, and hope to God he doesn’t keep them all. I will trust in the balances of the American government to stop him from doing too much damage, and most of all, I will hope I’m wrong about him.

But I’ll be watching. I will NOT be led blindly like I fear so many are. I will not see in our President a Messiah. I must accept him as our President. He will have to earn the right to be my leader, and that will only happen if he reaches people like me.

I love my country enough to hope he will.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:13 am

THANK YOU, Renee!
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:11 am

I feel the same way Renee, nicely said. I will give Obama my respect as my president and I want him to succeed, but I won't look the other way when he disappoints or makes mistakes like I think the media will. Bush got blamed for everything, my question is who will they blame now the democrats are totally in command. It will be interesting to see.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:27 am

I believe his feet will be held to the fire and people will be watching very, very closely.

I also don't think everyone is blindly following. I know I'm skeptical and I didn't vote for him.

However, Bush was responsible for the criticism he's received. He will go down in history as the worst president of our country....that's my opinion & I'm stickin' to it!

Good luck to everyone!
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:57 am

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How dare they?

How dare they throw tea over the Boston harbor
How dare they question the King of England
How dare they rise up and sit in the front of the bus
How dare they expect to vote when they are only women
How dare they protest the war on college campuses with sit ins
How dare they march on Washington to be heard
How dare they try to stop abortions


How dare they Renee, think about it honey.
They dare because this great country was built on civil disobedience.
They dare because its a great free country where you do not follow like pigs to the slaughter any form of government you disagree with.
They dare because they believe its important and are willing to risk your disapproval for what they believe is a greater cause
They dare because the constitution and the bill of rights guarantees they can.

Would you really have it any other way ?
Would you truly silence them ?

Just think about it.


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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:55 pm

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How dare they?

How dare they throw tea over the Boston harbor
How dare they question the King of England
How dare they rise up and sit in the front of the bus
How dare they expect to vote when they are only women
How dare they protest the war on college campuses with sit ins
How dare they march on Washington to be heard
How dare they try to stop abortions


How dare they Renee, think about it honey.
They dare because this great country was built on civil disobedience.
They dare because its a great free country where you do not follow like pigs to the slaughter any form of government you disagree with.
They dare because they believe its important and are willing to risk your disapproval for what they believe is a greater cause
They dare because the constitution and the bill of rights guarantees they can.

Would you really have it any other way ?
Would you truly silence them ?

Just think about it.


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I have thought about it Morgan, a lot. And what's happened is that freedoms used to be balanced with common sense, and the exercise of freedom used to be balanced with character. That is no longer the case.

Civil disobedience is one thing, Morgan. What's happened to our country is a level of bitter discourse that truly crosses the line into treason. All of your arguments on their face are absolutely right, absolutely valid. But when you combine your philosophical arguments with the abusive power of the media and agenda driven liberals...then you have problems. Serious problems.

Part of the problem is that there are no "checks and balances" on the media or the newly developed liberal elite. Let's face it. Movie stars and Hollywood types have never held the political clout they do today...they've learned to use their media access in brilliant ways, but they use it for their own agendas. And let's face it, they are so far out of touch with many realities it's a dangerous predicament.

Also, and let's be blunt. Many of the people who have the greatest access to the press and to influence have very little education. They've earned their positions through talent rather than intellect, yet generations have become drones to their call. It's a scary situation indeed.

Would I silence them? No, I wouldn't silence them. But I wish to God that more people saw through them, and more people called them the traitorous spoiled lack of character leeches on society that they are.

For eight years, people have made the mistake of fearing to call a spade a spade. They don't want to be told their limiting freedom of speech, so they're afraid to say "This crosses the line" even when it's glaringly obvious. They don't want to be called racist, so they sit silent as idiots such as Kanye West make stupid statements like, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Please don't elevate behavior like that to the level of the Boston Tea Party. Some things just don't equate, Morgan, and attempting to level those things are part of the HUGE problem our country is facing.

If we have any chance of making progress these next four years, there HAS to be more integrity in our discourse. There HAS to be more accountability on each side. Civil disobedience should NEVER be defined by inflammatory statements. That will never bring about change. That will only further entrench the other side...and in four years, things will have only gotten worse.

I stand by my statement.

How dare they?
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:16 pm

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I believe his feet will be held to the fire and people will be watching very, very closely.

I also don't think everyone is blindly following. I know I'm skeptical and I didn't vote for him.

However, Bush was responsible for the criticism he's received. He will go down in history as the worst president of our country....that's my opinion & I'm stickin' to it!

Good luck to everyone!

Some food for thought, Joe. President Bush, as with any president has many responsibilities, but his PRIMARY responsibility is the protection of the citizens and the homeland. 9/11 may have happened on his watch, but decisions made before he took office laid the groundwork for that attack.

Since 9/11, our nation has gone its longest stretch without a terrorist attack since 1979. Here's a list of 19 terrorist attacks that have been thwarted under President Bush's watch:


Thwarted Attacks


One of my daughter's professors (extremely and proudly liberal) shocked his class with a statement made last week. He said that fifty years from now, President Bush will be hailed as the FIRST president to take real steps to turn the tide of Islamo-Fascist terrorism, and he will be lauded as a hero for that.

I sure wish more people realized what he's done NOW.

President Bush is a man who loves his country enough to do what is right for the country, even against great criticism and ridicule. President Bush is a man of great compassion who will step into the flood waters and atop the ruins and walk into the military hospitals just to hold those in need. President Bush has made a lot of mistakes....but he has been crucified in the extreme, and all the good he's done has been ignored.

That is a genuine shame. I'm not asking you to change your opinion, sweet Joe. I just hope I've given you some food for thought.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:17 pm

Because you disagree you want them to stop.

Well I'd like a lot of things to stop also but when its my turn to be silenced I won't be so happy.

Its not whether I disagree or not Renee its that they have found a voice and they are free to use it. If America is listening then America is the problem.

I do agree completely that the media is no longer balanced but the media is simply a reflection of what the people want. It seems the younger generation enjoys the taste of blood and allow dirt to pass as news. And I suspect they will pay a big price for that. When you command an audience you have power. You can use it how you choose and those that listen will listen and those that don't will speak out against as you have.

I have done my best to respect the president we have had for the last 8 years but in my opinion he's done little to earn it. We have seen attacks on our homeland, rising costs, jobs and homes lost and lives ruined in those years. The trend continues unabated thus far. What exactly should I be thankful for in Bush's administration ?

Where should all these checks and balances of the media come from, Renee ? The key to a free country is to allow the media to speak openly. . . even when we don't want to hear what they have to say.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:20 pm

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Since 9/11, our nation has gone its longest stretch without a terrorist attack since 1979. Here's a list of 19 terrorist attacks that have been thwarted under President Bush's watch:

But Renee

under who's watch did 9/11 actually happen ? You can't deny that fact.

No matter how much groundwork is done before they will only go foreward with a weak administration. No one attacks a strong America.

and are we not counting such things as Anthrax poisonings as terrorist attacks ? there have certainly been attacks since 9/11.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:23 pm

If you read the Book of Revelations all of this will make sense.
It makes even more sense when you think back to words that were used during this election.

Words like "Anti-Christ" and "Messiah"........A lot of people used these words. And what about when he said "Our time has come, this is what we have been waiting for" <or something to that effect>

Even you Morgan I believe last week used the word "Anti-Christ" when defending Obama. I believe you said something to the effect that you would think he was the "Anti-Christ" the way some people felt about him and spoke about him (you were speaking of those that were not impressed with him, and those that were scared of him).

Why were these particular words used during this election? I don't recall those words ever being used during any other Presidential Election.

I think that those of us that aren't tripping over themselves to praise and adore him know he is not what he appears.

Is it possible that the time is upon us? It all falls into place when you think of what the Bible says.

"He will come out of nowhere, be will be loved and adored the world over"

Just think about those two things alone.

Does it make sense to any of you that he would be adored and loved the world over as if he were God himself?

He is a complete unknown even to the American people yet he goes to Europe and people come in the tens of thousands to see and hear him speak. Why?

Is he known for doing anything spectacular in his life? Is there any particular reason that they should adore him? Why do they adore him?

They don't know him. We just heard about him a few short years ago ourselves, we don't even know this man. What has he done to deserve our trust, love and loyalty? Nothing. Why do so many people adore him without question?

Just sit for one moment and think about what people were willing to ignore about this man, all the things that if it were anyone else he wouldn't have have been the nominee, never mind the President.

My goodness he wouldn't qualify for a Security Clearance pass to work in the White House, and yet he is about to be the President.

Why are there some people scared of him without knowing why? But they just have a feeling that something isn't right about all of this.

As time goes by and more things happen it will become clearer and make more sense to those that have doubt about him, they will understand why they have that doubt.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:01 pm

Janey

I love you honest. But thats just WAY OUT THERE for me.

Is Obama the second coming of Christ ?
of course not

Is he the Anti-Christ
of course not

yuk thats beyond necessary to address.



Why are these words used in this election ?

FEAR

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant has been the status quo in this country for many, many years. They hold the power and they are loathe to let go of it.

Obama is a man. Plain and simple. A man who said what people wanted to hear in the election. He gave them hope where they had given up.

He is not a color. He is not a religion. He is not a nationality.

He's simply a man running for president who won.

There is nothing to be afraid of. I sure hope everyone comes to see that soon so the healing can begin.

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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:10 pm

To answer your statements more directly



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Is it possible that the time is upon us? It all falls into place when you think of what the Bible says.

"He will come out of nowhere, be will be loved and adored the world over"

Just think about those two things alone.

Just no words that you even begin to see it this way. Did you feel that way about Brad Pitt also ?


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Does it make sense to any of you that he would be adored and loved the world over as if he were God himself?

Sorry, don't see that. He's just a good speaker.

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He is a complete unknown even to the American people yet he goes to Europe and people come in the tens of thousands to see and hear him speak. Why?

Because he's making history, Janey

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Is he known for doing anything spectacular in his life? Is there any particular reason that they should adore him? Why do they adore him?

He's good looking, young, successful, well-spoken, interesting, charismatic, says what they want to hear . . . .

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They don't know him. We just heard about him a few short years ago ourselves, we don't even know this man. What has he done to deserve our trust, love and loyalty? Nothing. Why do so many people adore him without question?

they question and are comfortable with the answers and few people ADORE him . . . geesh. . . honest.

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Just sit for one moment and think about what people were willing to ignore about this man, all the things that if it were anyone else he wouldn't have have been the nominee, never mind the President.

They ignored lies. Simple lies coming from his opponent and people who fear his color.

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My goodness he wouldn't qualify for a Security Clearance pass to work in the White House, and yet he is about to be the President.

Not a clue where you're getting that gem from but well, he qualifies now.

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Why are there some people scared of him without knowing why? But they just have a feeling that something isn't right about all of this.

I'll bite . . . ummmm. . . he's Black ????

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As time goes by and more things happen it will become clearer and make more sense to those that have doubt about him, they will understand why they have that doubt.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

they'll realize they were wrong


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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:17 pm

My goodness he wouldn't qualify for a Security Clearance pass to work in the White House, and yet he is about to be the President.

Please explain this more with exact information.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:09 pm

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Janey

I love you honest. But thats just WAY OUT THERE for me.

Is Obama the second coming of Christ ?
of course not

Is he the Anti-Christ
of course not

yuk thats beyond necessary to address.



Why are these words used in this election ?

FEAR

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant has been the status quo in this country for many, many years. They hold the power and they are loathe to let go of it.

Obama is a man. Plain and simple. A man who said what people wanted to hear in the election. He gave them hope where they had given up.

He is not a color. He is not a religion. He is not a nationality.

He's simply a man running for president who won.

There is nothing to be afraid of. I sure hope everyone comes to see that soon so the healing can begin.

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Morgan,

It may seem way out there to you, but that's the way it is. A lot of what we believe even from the past is "Way Out There" A lot of what we believe in the Bible may seem "Way Out There" to those that don't believe.

I know 100% he is not the second coming of Christ. I know that because it's not time yet.

Sure he is a man. We all know that. If those words were used in "Fear" as you say...It still doesn't explain why tens of thousands came to see him while abroad. This wasn't a man that was well known to any of us here in the U.S., and certainly not to anyone in Europe, he came from nowhere and people fell to their knees to adore him.

Why did people cry and faint in his presence? Why were people so willing to overlook many things from his past that would have been the end for any other person? Just one of those things would have done anyone else in. But he got a pass on everything.

Please tell me what he did to deserve such adoration. What has he done in his lifetime to encourage such a following? Did he maybe save a life? Invent something? Feed the poor? Build a house for a homeless person? Please, tell me what he has done for such Worldwide Adoration!

I never heard those words being spoken in fear or hate. I heard them many times being spoken in adoration. People blindly followed him, and are continuing to follow him without question.

You can tell me a million times over that people didn't blindly follow him, but I know they did, I watched them. And they will continue to blindly follow him.

I have heard what a wonderful speaker he is over and over. He can't get out a sentence without pausing, hmmmming, haaaaaing stammering.
He is such a boring and slow speaker.

You can't 100% tell us there is nothing to be afraid of. How can you?
I chose to go with my feelings. I know what's in my heart, and I chose to believe what I know is the truth.

And let me make this point Morgan. I am not upset. I don't hate the man, I just love God more. So there is no healing to be done at this end.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:29 pm

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Why did people cry and faint in his presence? Why were people so willing to overlook many things from his past that would have been the end for any other person? Just one of those things would have done anyone else in. But he got a pass on everything.


Frankly I've never seen this Jane but if it happens

well the same can be said about Clay Aiken, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, Frank Sinatra. . . and on and on.


And again . . . no one overlooked - they simply didn't believe what you believe about his ' past '.


Interesting, Jane that the Antichrist you see just happens to be a powerful black man. . .

McCain got almost as many votes and people ran out to see him too but well . . . he can't be the Antichrist of course can he.

nor any of these people . . .

Bin Laden ? nope not him
Sadam Hussein ? nope not him
David Duke ? nope

Its that charismatic black guy that people want to see succeed and hear talk that must be the rebirth of the devil. Of course he hasn't actually DONE anything evil but well give him time I guess.

Jane . . .maybe you should go ponder your fears a bit and see what it is they might be trying to tell you . . .



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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:30 pm

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My goodness he wouldn't qualify for a Security Clearance pass to work in the White House, and yet he is about to be the President.

Please explain this more with exact information.

What do you mean Basket? Do want to know what a Security Clearance is?
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:00 pm

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Why did people cry and faint in his presence? Why were people so willing to overlook many things from his past that would have been the end for any other person? Just one of those things would have done anyone else in. But he got a pass on everything.


Frankly I've never seen this Jane but if it happens

well the same can be said about Clay Aiken, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, Frank Sinatra. . . and on and on.


And again . . . no one overlooked - they simply didn't believe what you believe about his ' past '.


Interesting, Jane that the Antichrist you see just happens to be a powerful black man. . .

McCain got almost as many votes and people ran out to see him too but well . . . he can't be the Antichrist of course can he.

nor any of these people . . .

Bin Laden ? nope not him
Sadam Hussein ? nope not him
David Duke ? nope

Its that charismatic black guy that people want to see succeed and hear talk that must be the rebirth of the devil. Of course he hasn't actually DONE anything evil but well give him time I guess.

Jane . . .maybe you should go ponder your fears a bit and see what it is they might be trying to tell you . . .



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Morgan.

I don't need to ponder anything. I don't have any fears. It doesn't matter to me that he is bi-racial.
And as far as him not having done anything evil, you are right in saying just give it time. The fact that you are mocking me doesn't even matter.

By the way, did I call him the "Anti-Christ"????? Or is that just something in your own mind?

Even the way you are mocking me doesn't matter. I promise I am not upset or angry. I love you no matter what.

I don't quite get what this has to do with anything either,

Quote: Interesting, Jane that the Antichrist you see just happens to be a powerful black man. . .

It wouldn't matter what colour he is. And I never mentioned his colour, actually I haven't even given that any thought in this conversation. Funny that you would think of that...hmmm It's the same old excuse, if you can't win honestly, then just use the race card...The good old race card.

McCain is a great man. I and some other's got very frustrated with him from time to time because he wouldn't get out there and fight as hard as we wanted him to. He had plenty of ammo to get Obama on. My God the affiliations with the likes of Ayes. a Domestic Terrorist, and Khalidi a former PLO spokesperson to name a few.

But, now I am glad McCain didn't. He stayed true to the man he has always been. He didn't want to get down in the dirt and he kept his integrity.


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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:13 pm

I'm not mocking you Jane - I'm answering you.

And what in the heck where you suggesting then with your references to Revelation and how he would come out of nowhere, etc . . .
what then were you referring to ?

I'm not playing the race card, Jane. The man is black. He made history being the first African American president of the United States. You can expect a whole lot of hoopla for that.

You're the one afraid of him. . . what is it exactly about him that instills fear ? His elequonce and mastery of the English language ? His fashion sense ? Maybe its the fact that he wants everyone to get a chance to eat this week. . . oh yeah and be able to go to a doctor. Scary stuff indeed.

What is it you are afraid of ? And why are you now back-pedaling after throwing the word Anti-Christ and descriptions of it from the Bible.

I don't get it Jane

But it scares me a whole lot more than Obama does.

What does the Bible tell you to do when faced with the evil one who will come out of nowhere and make everyone listen to him. . .

or do I even want to know.


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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:38 pm

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Maybe its the fact that he wants everyone to get a chance to eat this week. . .


stun

Morgan, please tell me you were kidding here. Please.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:42 pm

No

why would I be kidding ?
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:47 pm

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To answer your statements more directly



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Just sit for one moment and think about what people were willing to ignore about this man, all the things that if it were anyone else he wouldn't have have been the nominee, never mind the President.

They ignored lies. Simple lies coming from his opponent and people who fear his color.

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Morgan, you're an intelligent woman. There are FACTS out there, not opinions, not lies. FACTS. And they were willingly ignored. I feel like it was some mass hypnosis. I want somebody, anybody, to admit that he DID have all these, hell, any of these questionable associations but that you're fine with that. I just want SOMEBODY to admit that they were willing to accept all of that rather than not vote for Obama. Just please don't tell me they were lies. These are facts!

And I am so over his blackness. The race card is now dead in this country. A black man was elected president. We can't accept that and still say people are afraid of a man of color. THere are plenty of reasons to distrust him that have nothing to do with his pigment.

Also, just saw that you responded to me above. I would hope that you are kidding because it means that somehow, his caring if people eat this week is something special about him, or that it somehow separates him from any other candidate. It comes across like he's the ONLY one who cares about the poor or the hungry. It's nothing unique to him so I don't understand why you would even say it.
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:52 pm

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Where should all these checks and balances of the media come from, Renee ? The key to a free country is to allow the media to speak openly. . . even when we don't want to hear what they have to say.

I've been thinking about this question all day, Morgan, and I realize I've had the answer all along. The checks and balances are going to come about when more and more people like me stand up and fight the injustice. The point isn't to shut down the media, but rather to hold the media accountable for its bias.

The small roar you hear is millions of conservatives starting this very battle. I've seen more positive activity this past week coming from key grass roots organizations than I saw in the entire election. Too bad we couldn't get it together before the election~!
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:02 pm

True thats where it will come from and so far I'd say its a long, hard battle because like I said the younger crowd who have cut thier teeth on the internet have a taste for blood and dirt.

The media will be what the public demands - its that simple. No viewers - no media.

As for the rest of what you had to say. Sorry, but I think you are overly worried and overly dramatizing and overly disliking the man who is to be president.

No one likes it when the other guy wins but this race has been truly ugly. The fear of this man, Obama, may well destroy him . . . and our country along with it. Would you like to be part of that bonfire ? Or is it time to learn to respect a man that might not have been exactly what you were looking for in the President. Surely Bush was not what I was looking for but I was on no vocal crusade against him.

You said yourself that it was wrong that Bush was shown no respect .... your words were How Dare They ? but in the same breath you show no respect for the man who will be your President. You can't have it both ways . . . sorry.




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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:12 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:

No one likes it when the other guy wins but this race has been truly ugly. The fear of this man, Obama, may well destroy him . . . and our country along with it. Would you like to be part of that bonfire ? Or is it time to learn to respect a man that might not have been exactly what you were looking for in the President. Surely Bush was not what I was looking for but I was on no vocal crusade against him.

You said yourself that it was wrong that Bush was shown no respect .... your words were How Dare They ? but in the same breath you show no respect for the man who will be your President. You can't have it both ways . . . sorry.


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Morgan, I know that you weren't on an anti-Bush crusade, but so many were. This environment was not created by the conservatives. Our challenge now, and the point of my initial post, was to find a way to change the environment.

Now tell me...how did I disrespect Obama? I said I would give his policies a chance, but I'd be watching him. Where in this thread do you see disrespect on my part?

I say How Dare They to those traitors who would call our President a "f-ing idiot" (Jennifer Aniston) and make documentaries using our Marines against their expressed wishes (thank you Michael Moore). That's the type of How Dare They I'm referring to.

I really didn't think I was disrespectful to him. That's something I don't want to do, so please show me where I was so I can fix it. As to overdramatizing, when did I do that?
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PostSubject: Re: I Don't Want to be Like THEM   Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:25 pm

You may be correct Renee that you were not disrespectful - sometimes its hard to see who says what.

But the fear of Obama's associations in my opinion is over rated big time. Men of power come across all kinds of people in thier lifetimes and do business with them. They don't vett thier college days to see if they ever were less than they are now. Only at a presidential level would I expect someone to have the means and the need to do that.

That said I don't see any problem with associating with a college professor that is well respected in his community. I don't see a problem with the minister of his church taking responsibility for his own actions and words and that not reflecting on the members of his church. I don't know what Obama was exposed to in the church. To me thats like saying the local priest is a biggot so I'm colored with that crayon for belonging to the church. I might never have heard a word of his predjudice or might have strongly disagreed with a thing or two I heard in the church but well thats what church is for . . . to make you think. We often don't like what we hear in sermons.

Because mud was dug up and thrown at Obama - it reflects more to me on the muck thrower than it does on the victim. Because Obama didn't follow suit you didn't see similar things about McCain. I find it impossible to believe there was no dirt or past associations to throw at him. Obama simply chose to run a clean campaign and not throw personal mud.

Obama was not the perfect candidate. In my opinion both men are off the mark on how to fix things so you choose the one who is closer to right. Like it or not. . . America has spoken.

Let's get past it and stop running scared and looking to throw tinder on the fire that will burn us all.

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