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PostSubject: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:03 am

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"The class which has the means of material production at its disposal has control at the same time over the means of metal production.” This is done through control over the media, educational curricula, grants and such.

KARL MARX by Dr. Frank Elwell



The Washington Times, which has covered the Barack Obama campaign from the start, was kicked off the Democrat's campaign plane for the final 72 hours of the race.

The Obama campaign informed the newspaper Thursday evening of its decision, which came two days after The Times editorial page endorsed Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama. The Times editorial page runs completely independent of the news department.


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Two other major newspapers were kicked off. They both endorsed McCain. This is why I believe I am not being sensational when I say this man is a socialist. I hope people see the truth before casting their ballots. This is dangerous.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:49 am

i just heard about this. unbelievable. i'll be interested to learn of the Obama Campaign's response on this matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:41 pm

Other things related to this being reported:

-The real story is that the crush of reporters, plus the addition of Michele Obama for the rest of the campaign, means someone has to go.

-McCain also "kicked off" reporters on his plane during this campaign.

Stories like this don't serve alot of purpose especially when the reasons, can be many. Good many or bad many or just logical many.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:43 pm

There's also that reporter in Florida who was asking Biden about Obama's plans being "Marxist" and Biden responded, "Are you kidding? Is this a joke?" He didn't answer......and then the Obama campaign said they would no longer allow interviews with this woman or her TV station.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:47 pm

Well, would you????
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:49 pm

coocooitstrue wrote:
i just heard about this. unbelievable. i'll be interested to learn of the Obama Campaign's response on this matter.


Coo, they are saying they needed to make room for more Chicago Papers. Biggest load of
bull if you ask me. This doesn't surprise me at all. There have been reports
over recent weeks that the access for all media to Obama is very tight. Very few
if any at all can get to him at all. They have been doing the same with Biden.
Just wait and see what happens if he gets into the White House. You wont know a
thing that's going on, well, the truth anyway. You will get the spin, the same
spin he has been giving for the past two years.

Let me tell you, they will take passes away from any news agency that is unfavorable to their
administration. There have been complaints from reporters (and this goes back
months) that the Obama camp didn't inform them in advance of their plans, the
bus they provided for the media was filthy, the plane where the media sat was
disgusting, they were also being treated like crap.

In comparison, McCain's camp was the complete opposite. They have always been provided with the schedule well in advance. And were treated very well. And, they have great access to McCain behind the scenes.

I didn't say anything about it at the time because it wasn't worth the aggravation, I wasn't
up to arguing about it. I was astonished when I heard one reporter say he was
relieved when he got McCain to
cover.


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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:10 pm

abasketclayse wrote:
Well, would you????


are you asking would i answer the marxxist question. Yes would be the answer, why not. Read what socialism is and how marx handled things and tell me the difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:13 pm

As a candidate who ran for president and then was chosen for vice president running mate, Biden should have had an answer prepared for questions like this, in my opinion. The way he handled it was poor.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:13 pm

abasketclayse wrote:
Other things related to this being reported:

-The real story is that the crush of reporters, plus the addition of Michele Obama for the rest of the campaign, means someone has to go.

-McCain also "kicked off" reporters on his plane during this campaign.

Stories like this don't serve alot of purpose especially when the reasons, can be many. Good many or bad many or just logical many.


hmmm that is not what was reported on my station about Michelle obama coming on board. They said that a few other stations wanted on and someone had to go so these 3 were told by sunday they could not be on the plane but that if they found their own way to wherever he is going they would be allowed in. Michelle wasn't even mentioned. I have no idea who McCain kicked off, never heard of any. I know he wasn't going on NBC because of unfair coverage of Palin . why kick off 3 papers that supported McCain, seems a little suspicious to me. But then i see alot of things wrong in the Obama camp.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:27 pm

joechgo1 wrote:
There's also that reporter in Florida who was asking Biden about Obama's plans being "Marxist" and Biden responded, "Are you kidding? Is this a joke?" He didn't answer......and then the Obama campaign said they would no longer allow interviews with this woman or her TV station.

Joe,
Biden was about as arrogant and rude as one can get to that reporter. He
and Obama aren't accustomed to getting hard questions and that threw him for a
loop. And the way he and other's put her down afterwards was terrible. They
called her "unprofessional" She is a very experienced reporter. She worked with
Peter Jennings.

And you are correct, they told the stations, which is an
ABC affiliate that they would no longer be allowing them access. People don't
seem to get what Obama and his campaign are all about. And it's not going to be
pretty when it hits them that Obama is not who they think he is....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:36 pm

That's part of the point!

Station A reports this...

Paper B reports that...

Reporter A says this....

Staff member C says that....

For ALL the candidates.


What my station says, yours doesn't. Vice versa. Time and time again. Kind of like what Clay says, if it's not on the OFC don't believe it.

You guys go ahead and speculate all you want. I have to pick and choose what I'm willing to argue about, but this just doesn't have the merit when we're playing "he said, she said". No
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:42 pm

So dont vote for them if you think they are marxist, socialist, communist, racist, terrorist, etc etc etc etc ad nauseum . . . geesh guys NO ONE is this bad.

But I truly hope -should the other guy win - you'll bury your hatchet and respect the president - whoever that might be.

There just seems to be a virilant edge to the ' dislike ' in this campaign. Its not simply did you see what that guy did ? Its full fledged hatred if you ask me and it gets real personal most of the time.

Who cares if Obama controls the media ? The media doesn't control me. In this day of at hand information, anyone can find out the facts and easily sort through the rhetoric and nonsence served up on television. For the most part, in my opinion, when the media tries to hand feed you someone its when most humans balk so where is the danger ?

Take a hard look at what each candidate stands for and then cast your vote. Argue and debate the issues and how they will handle them - thats fine - but the out and out hatred for the candidate you havent chosen is a bit much.

I'm sure they are both capable leaders with good plans. You simply choose which you feel more aligned with. Its really not worth all the rest of the mudslinging and vitriole.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:22 pm

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So dont vote for them if you think they are marxist, socialist, communist, racist, terrorist, etc etc etc etc ad nauseum . . . geesh guys NO ONE is this bad.

But I truly hope -should the other guy win - you'll bury your hatchet and respect the president - whoever that might be.

There just seems to be a virilant edge to the ' dislike ' in this campaign. Its not simply did you see what that guy did ? Its full fledged hatred if you ask me and it gets real personal most of the time.

Who cares if Obama controls the media ? The media doesn't control me. In this day of at hand information, anyone can find out the facts and easily sort through the rhetoric and nonsence served up on television. For the most part, in my opinion, when the media tries to hand feed you someone its when most humans balk so where is the danger ?

Take a hard look at what each candidate stands for and then cast your vote. Argue and debate the issues and how they will handle them - thats fine - but the out and out hatred for the candidate you havent chosen is a bit much.

I'm sure they are both capable leaders with good plans. You simply choose which you feel more aligned with. Its really not worth all the rest of the mudslinging and vitriole.

Morgan,
You ask who cares if Obama controls the media? WOW, I care, and
so should you and everyone else. You may think you have the freedom to do as you please, you can only do as much as you are allowed to do. Information is at hand as long as we have that freedom to do so. It can be taken away before your very eyes. Who is going to stop them? You, Me?? Like we can actually do something about it....

When we first moved to the Middle East in 1996 Saudi Arabia
still didn't have Internet Access. It was a couple more years before the King would allow some access. They block whatever they want to.
There is no freedom of the press there and in many other countries around the world.

It only takes one person to destroy so many things we take for granted, even life itself.
There was only One Hitler, One Mussolini, One Bin Laden, One Saddam, it only takes one man to do a lot of damage and destruction! All they need for that amount of power is for people not to question them and follow willingly. I will never respect someone just because of their position in life, they have to earn my respect. I am surprised that you see "Hatred" where there is genuine concern about this man that no one really knows, and about the people he hangs with.

There are people voting for Obama because of the colour of his skin. It
shocked me to see a reporter asking Black people "What it would mean to them to have a Black President" They were beyond thrilled, finally one of them would be running the country.That's what they said. No one is talking about that, no....We hear a lot about who isn't voting for him because he is Black....Have you heard anyone say that? Have you heard anyone say they weren't voting for him because of his colour? I haven't....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:34 pm

I'm not voting for him because of his color....actually, most of the people I know are not voting for him because of his color. Color doesn't have to do with it. As gender really doesn't.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:51 pm

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I'm not voting for him because of his color....actually, most of the people I know are not voting for him because of his color. Color doesn't have to do with it. As gender really doesn't.

Are you Black Basket? I was referring to Black people being asked that
question. They said they were voting for him because he was one of
them.

Strange how the fact that his mother was White doesn't seem to
matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:55 pm

Am I black? No. Do I have friends that are black who are voting for him - yes - and the reasons they discuss are not related to his skin color or other such attributes.

That's an awful blanket statement.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:38 pm

Morgan Rowan wrote:
So dont vote for them if you think they are marxist, socialist, communist, racist, terrorist, etc etc etc etc ad nauseum . . . geesh guys NO ONE is this bad.

But I truly hope -should the other guy win - you'll bury your hatchet and respect the president - whoever that might be.

There just seems to be a virilant edge to the ' dislike ' in this campaign. Its not simply did you see what that guy did ? Its full fledged hatred if you ask me and it gets real personal most of the time.

Who cares if Obama controls the media ? The media doesn't control me. In this day of at hand information, anyone can find out the facts and easily sort through the rhetoric and nonsence served up on television. For the most part, in my opinion, when the media tries to hand feed you someone its when most humans balk so where is the danger ?

Take a hard look at what each candidate stands for and then cast your vote. Argue and debate the issues and how they will handle them - thats fine - but the out and out hatred for the candidate you havent chosen is a bit much.

I'm sure they are both capable leaders with good plans. You simply choose which you feel more aligned with. Its really not worth all the rest of the mudslinging and vitriole.


i'm a little surprised at the statement about control of media myself. The media is how many people get their information and if one candidate has 79 percent of the media on his side the flow of information certainly gets distorted. so yes control of the media concerns me greatly. I don't want any candidate to control the media. I want the press to print actual facts no matter which candidate it is about. That unfortunately isn't happening like it should. I certainly found this interesting. The Obama camp is certainly doing a 180 right now. We have gone from 250k to 200k to 150k if you believe Biden, 200k if you believe Obama, either way it keeps dropping. My guess is its gonna go alot lower and we are all gonna see our taxes increased. Now the Obama camp is lowering its expectationson what they can do. I've been saying this all along. There was no way he could carry out his promises especially without raising taxes and on all of us.



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/obama-lays-plans-kill-expectations-election-victory/
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:44 pm

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Am I black? No. Do I have friends that are black who are voting for him - yes - and the reasons they discuss are not related to his skin color or other such attributes.

That's an awful blanket statement.

That wasn't a "Blanket" Statement. I am just telling you something that I seen on the news.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:18 pm

Well then again, you're relying only what you see in/on the media. So, the media influence. There's so much else out there - your neighbors, family, church, friends, local politicians, consumer groups in your area, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:19 pm

It is really amusing that the Republicans in our group think the exclusion of 3 reporters was so terrible.......as if Bush and McCain have never done any such thing. I know that McCain kicked off Maureen Dowd of the New York Times from his plane and here is another example:

McCain campaign threatened to cut off Newsweek’s access.By Matt Corley on May 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am McCain campaign threatened to cut off Newsweek’s access.»
Earlier this week, after Newsweek published a cover story examining the hardball tactics conservatives might use in the general election, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) “true partner” and longest-serving aide, Mark Salter, fired off a stinging retort that accused the magazine of being “biased.” Today, a Wall Street Journal profile of Salter reveals that he also “threatened to throw the magazine’s reporters off the campaign bus and airplane“:

He threatened to throw the magazine’s reporters off the campaign bus and airplane, according to people familiar with the matter. Mr. Salter says he expressed the campaign’s displeasure and is talking to the publication about future access.

Salter’s move to cut off Newsweek’s access is reminiscent of how in 2004, “a New York Times reporter assigned to cover Vice President Cheney was routinely excluded from the press plane
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I see nothing whatsoever wrong with kicking off some reporters and making room for others from Senator Obama's home state. It's also wonderful that both Ebony and Jet magazines were left on the plane......the first black man running for President is BIG news to their subscribers.

George W. Bush used tactics that could just as easily be seen as excluding opposing viewpoints (Helen Thomas is the older lady who has reported through numerous administrations):

As a fierce critic of America's involvement in the Iraq war, Helen Thomas has locked horns with the Bush administration on many occasions. She has been quoted describing George W Bush as "the worst President in history ."

As a result she is frequently denied the opportunity to ask a question of President Bush at his press conferences.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:40 pm

jojoincal wrote:
It is really amusing that the Republicans in our group think the exclusion of 3 reporters was so terrible.......as if Bush and McCain have never done any such thing. I know that McCain kicked off Maureen Dowd of the New York Times from his plane and here is another example:

McCain campaign threatened to cut off Newsweek’s access.By Matt Corley on May 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am McCain campaign threatened to cut off Newsweek’s access.»
Earlier this week, after Newsweek published a cover story examining the hardball tactics conservatives might use in the general election, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) “true partner” and longest-serving aide, Mark Salter, fired off a stinging retort that accused the magazine of being “biased.” Today, a Wall Street Journal profile of Salter reveals that he also “threatened to throw the magazine’s reporters off the campaign bus and airplane“:

He threatened to throw the magazine’s reporters off the campaign bus and airplane, according to people familiar with the matter. Mr. Salter says he expressed the campaign’s displeasure and is talking to the publication about future access.

Salter’s move to cut off Newsweek’s access is reminiscent of how in 2004, “a New York Times reporter assigned to cover Vice President Cheney was routinely excluded from the press plane
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I see nothing whatsoever wrong with kicking off some reporters and making room for others from Senator Obama's home state. It's also wonderful that both Ebony and Jet magazines were left on the plane......the first black man running for President is BIG news to their subscribers.

George W. Bush used tactics that could just as easily be seen as excluding opposing viewpoints (Helen Thomas is the older lady who has reported through numerous administrations):

As a fierce critic of America's involvement in the Iraq war, Helen Thomas has locked horns with the Bush administration on many occasions. She has been quoted describing George W Bush as "the worst President in history ."

As a result she is frequently denied the opportunity to ask a question of President Bush at his press conferences.


i guess i've missed alot of press conferences cause i see her asking her questions all the time and mostly with little respect i might add. I was always surprised that he asked her for her question. i certainly didn't think she deserved to ask one with the attitude she showed but Bush did allow her to ask questions. I guess i missed the press conferences you are referring too jo. No As for McCain and Newsweek I'll take your word I've never heard of it. I've heard of NBC but not newsweek and i don't think either should be putting people off their plane. Wasn't Obama's local press important early on. Its his plane to do with as he chooses.

Evidently Bill Richardson said in a speech today that Obama will raise taxes on people making 120k. Its dropping quickly. If anyone thinks that making 120k makes you rich is seriously delusional. Yes people live on alot less but in many areas of the country 120 k is not much. In our area a small house and i'm talking 2000 square feet costs 250 or more. you can get a townhouse with no property for 219k with 2 bedrooms. 120k doesn't go far in a housing market like this. So if anyone thinks he is done lowering the tax bracket hold on he isn't even close to finished yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and Media Control...hmmmm   Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:38 pm

I should have been more exact - who cares who controls the media in this election. I truly dont think Americans are sheep being led to the slaughter by more media coverage for one candidate than the other. I've sure seen lots of coverage for McCain and lots of it positive. Its not like he's invisible.

As for Black voters voting for Obama - they will if they have no political leanings to Republican -so what. Women with no political standpoints will vote for McCain to see Palin in the whitehouse. Others will vote party lines without exploring the issues at all. Still others will vote for who's cute.

In the end the people will speak and whoever controlled thier imaginations will win. But the good part of that is that the same ability to bring a voters allegiance to thier side will also help bring international leaders and people of other countries on to thier good side so its all good to me.
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